On 19 Jul 2009 22:37:41 GMT, James Farrar
wrote:

John B wrote in news:7e4d44a7-3974-43c8-883a-
:

doesn't define government or geographical boundaries.

The two are not identical.

They can be.

(perhaps if you had left a bit more in....)

Charles Ellson wrote in
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On 19 Jul 2009 22:37:41 GMT, James Farrar
wrote:

John B wrote in news:7e4d44a7-3974-43c8-883a-
:

doesn't define government or geographical boundaries.

The two are not identical.

They can be.

Yes, they can be, but in the real UK the set of government boundaries is
not identical to the set of geographic boundaries.

James Farrar wrote:

Yes, they can be, but in the real UK the set of government boundaries is
not identical to the set of geographic boundaries.

Aren't all boundaries, natural or artificial, in a sense "geographic"?

In message , at 11:13:14 on Tue, 21
Jul 2009, Tim Roll-Pickering remarked:
Yes, they can be, but in the real UK the set of government boundaries is
not identical to the set of geographic boundaries.

Aren't all boundaries, natural or artificial, in a sense "geographic"?

Sometimes difficult to draw on a map. Is it possible for "within the
sound of Bow Bells"?
--
Roland Perry

On 21 July, 11:13, "Tim Roll-Pickering" T.C.Roll-
wrote:
James Farrar wrote:
Yes, they can be, but in the real UK the set of government boundaries is
not identical to the set of geographic boundaries.

Aren't all boundaries, natural or artificial, in a sense "geographic"?

Sigh. For some reason, people think that previous government
boundaries are geographic, or somehow real, but current ones are not.

You get arguments like "Altrincham is administratively in Greater
Manchester, but it's geographically in Cheshire". Bizarre. What do
they think "Cheshire" is beyond an administrative or government
concept?

On Tue, 21 Jul 2009 09:07:14 -0700 (PDT) someone who may be MIG
wrote this:-

You get arguments like "Altrincham is administratively in Greater
Manchester, but it's geographically in Cheshire". Bizarre. What do
they think "Cheshire" is beyond an administrative or government
concept?

I suspect it has something to do with the length of time the
administrative concept of counties has existed. Not only that, until
relatively recently the administrative concepts did not change
boundaries too often.



--
David Hansen, Edinburgh
I will *always* explain revoked encryption keys, unless RIP prevents me
http://www.opsi.gov.uk/acts/acts2000/00023--e.htm#54

In article ,
(David Hansen) wrote:

On Tue, 21 Jul 2009 09:07:14 -0700 (PDT) someone who may be MIG
wrote this:-

You get arguments like "Altrincham is administratively in Greater
Manchester, but it's geographically in Cheshire". Bizarre. What do
they think "Cheshire" is beyond an administrative or government
concept?

I suspect it has something to do with the length of time the
administrative concept of counties has existed. Not only that, until
relatively recently the administrative concepts did not change
boundaries too often.

Counties had no clear boundaries in the modern sense before County
Councils were created in 1889.

--
Colin Rosenstiel

In message , at 14:05:21
on Tue, 21 Jul 2009, remarked:
Counties had no clear boundaries in the modern sense before County
Councils were created in 1889.

So what are all those maps I have framed on my wall? Similar to this one
from 1610:

http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb..../genfiles/COU_
files/ENG/CAM/speed_camshire_1610.htm
--
Roland Perry

MIG wrote:
On 21 July, 11:13, "Tim Roll-Pickering" T.C.Roll-
wrote:
James Farrar wrote:
Yes, they can be, but in the real UK the set of government
boundaries is not identical to the set of geographic boundaries.

Aren't all boundaries, natural or artificial, in a sense
"geographic"?

Sigh. For some reason, people think that previous government
boundaries are geographic, or somehow real, but current ones are not.

You get arguments like "Altrincham is administratively in Greater
Manchester, but it's geographically in Cheshire". Bizarre. What do
they think "Cheshire" is beyond an administrative or government
concept?

Cheshire is a group of people, many of whom were born as Cheshire and grew
up as Cheshire long before a particular group of Here Today, Gone Tomorrow
politicians told them that they no longer had the right to be Cheshire. Oh,
and it's a cheese.

On 21 July, 17:29, "Basil Jet"
wrote:
MIG wrote:
On 21 July, 11:13, "Tim Roll-Pickering" T.C.Roll-
wrote:
James Farrar wrote:
Yes, they can be, but in the real UK the set of government
boundaries is not identical to the set of geographic boundaries.

Aren't all boundaries, natural or artificial, in a sense
"geographic"?

Sigh. *For some reason, people think that previous government
boundaries are geographic, or somehow real, but current ones are not.

You get arguments like "Altrincham is administratively in Greater
Manchester, but it's geographically in Cheshire". *Bizarre. *What do
they think "Cheshire" is beyond an administrative or government
concept?

Cheshire is a group of people, many of whom were born as Cheshire and grew
up as Cheshire long before a particular group of Here Today, Gone Tomorrow
politicians told them that they no longer had the right to be Cheshire. Oh,
and it's a cheese.

I haven't noticed people or cheeses changing name when they cross
administrative boundaries. I mean, that white crumbly stuff isn't
called Greater London Cheese in my local Tescos.

Members of a tribe called Cheshire can travel wherever they like.
What has it got to do with geographical boundaries?