"Peter Smyth" wrote in message
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"Barry Salter" wrote in message
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Lucas wrote:
Someone I know who has access to the FRPP website confirmed to me
that:

For domestic tickets, a journey from the Southeastern area to stations
beyond London which would normally be routed via Ashford will allow
travel by "Any Permitted Route", and that would be valid for travel on
the Javelin preview service without a supplement. A local journey
Ashford - London would need the supplement, however.

Said friend obviously hasn't read the information contained in The
Manual[1] correctly then.

There's a list of 100 Southeastern and Southern stations defined as
being high speed catchment stations, with associated HS1 supplements.

The only journeys that *don't* require a supplement are longer distance
ones routed "Any Permitted" (the example given being Derby to Ashford
International), and passengers holding appropriate First Class tickets.

The point is that Kentish Town - Ashford is routed Any Permitted and
therefore is valid in the same way that Derby - Ashford is valid. Maybe
this is not what SET intended, but until they change the tickets to "not
via HS1" they are valid.

That statement is incorrect

As you say they are valid by any permitted route, but HS1 is NOT a
permitted route for any fare unless it explicitly says via HS1 (or
whatever they actually write on the tickets, as I suspect HS1 means
nothing to the average punter)

The exact wording in The Manual is

Travel between stations beyond London and high speed catchment stations.
For travel between a station listed in Table A [basically any station in
Kent] and a station beyond London, only tickets routed “Not Valid On HS1”
(00130) will require the passenger to purchase a Preview supplement. All
other routed tickets, including “Any Permitted” (00000) are valid for
travel on high speed services. This will apply to longer distance flows
(such as Ashford International to Derby) which are routed “Any Permitted”
(00000).

So it is clear that as long as the ticket is routed Any Permitted (which a
Ashford-Kentish Town ticket is) then it is valid on HS1.

well this isn't what was in the original announcement (perhaps someone
updated the manual wrongly?)

tim