On Jul 19, 3:48*pm, "Peter Smyth" wrote:
"tim....." wrote in message

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"Peter Smyth" wrote in message
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"Barry Salter" wrote in message
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Lucas wrote:
Someone I know who has access to the FRPP website confirmed to me
that:

For domestic tickets, a journey from the Southeastern area to
stations
beyond London which would normally be routed via Ashford will allow
travel by "Any Permitted Route", and that would be valid for travel
on
the Javelin preview service without a supplement. A local journey
Ashford - London would need the supplement, however.

Said friend obviously hasn't read the information contained in The
Manual[1] correctly then.

There's a list of 100 Southeastern and Southern stations defined as
being high speed catchment stations, with associated HS1
supplements.

The only journeys that *don't* require a supplement are longer
distance ones routed "Any Permitted" (the example given being Derby
to Ashford International), and passengers holding appropriate First
Class tickets.

The point is that Kentish Town - Ashford is routed Any Permitted and
therefore is valid in the same way that Derby - Ashford is valid.
Maybe this is not what SET intended, but until they change the
tickets to "not via HS1" they are valid.

That statement is incorrect

As you say they are valid by any permitted route, but HS1 is NOT a
permitted route for any fare unless it explicitly says via HS1 (or
whatever they actually write on the tickets, as I suspect HS1 means
nothing to the average punter)

The exact wording in The Manual is

Travel between stations beyond London and high speed catchment stations.
For travel between a station listed in Table A [basically any station in
Kent] and a station beyond London, only tickets routed “Not Valid On
*HS1” (00130) will require the passenger to purchase a Preview
supplement. All other routed tickets, including “Any Permitted” (00000)
are valid for travel on high speed services. This will apply to longer
distance flows (such as Ashford International to Derby) which are routed
“Any Permitted” (00000).

So it is clear that as long as the ticket is routed Any Permitted (which
a Ashford-Kentish Town ticket is) then it is valid on HS1.


Actually, that is very ambigous regarding Kentish Town as I don't
think you could regard it as a 'longer distance flow' or 'a station
beyond London'