"Neil Williams" wrote in message
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On Tue, 21 Oct 2003 10:35:54 GMT, "Richard J."
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The RV1 route in central London has (2) and (3).

(3) could easily be provided on all buses, as it is in Europe, by
fitting hands-free PA and making it legal for drivers to use it (as I
believe in some cases it is not).

Announcement of stops is a cheap, easy thing to do, and provides a
massive service improvement to those who don't know where they are.

On the streetcars here in Toronto, the driver announces each stop well
before it's reached but the road system is so simple it's nearly impossible
to get lost.
I'm not so sure it would particularly easy on London bus routes; there are
many stops that wouldn't be easy to name. Stops at well known places;
stations, large shops, pubs and cinemas for sure, but what about all the
stops in not very memorable places?

Kat in Downtown Toronto

1) Ban smelly people with things living in their hair
2) Each bus should have a route map like on the tube, so you can see
where you've been, where you are, and where you're going, complete
with interchanges onto the much superior underground and national rail
3) There should be announcments for each stop (whether the bus stops
there or not)

As someone with visual impairment, I wholeheartedly agree with 2 and 3.
This should apply not only to London buses but buses everywhere.

There's nothing worse than travelling through an area you don't know and
not being able to read street names or read road signs to find out where
you are and when to press the bell. It's even worse at night or if the
windows are steamed up.

If busses were run more like trains and trams, with clear route maps,
well defined (and named) stops and announcements, I'd actually be able
to use them on my own, something which I cannot easily do at present
unless I'm very familiar with the area.
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As someone with visual impairment, I wholeheartedly agree with 2 and 3.
This should apply not only to London buses but buses everywhere.

There's nothing worse than travelling through an area you don't know
and not being able to read street names or read road signs to find out
where you are and when to press the bell. It's even worse at night or
if the windows are steamed up.

If busses were run more like trains and trams, with clear route maps,
well defined (and named) stops and announcements, I'd actually be able
to use them on my own, something which I cannot easily do at present
unless I'm very familiar with the area.

Oops, I'm not sure I can get away with using both variants of the
plural, especially since Oxford University Press is right outside my
window. :-)
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On Tue, 21 Oct 2003 16:36:23 -0400, "Janice"
wrote:

I'm not so sure it would particularly easy on London bus routes; there are
many stops that wouldn't be easy to name. Stops at well known places;
stations, large shops, pubs and cinemas for sure, but what about all the
stops in not very memorable places?

The German practice is to name all stops, either after the road
they're on or a nearby landmark. This name is then clearly publicised
on maps, timetables, announcements, stop flags and shelters etc. Very
helpful - and to save stressing you can note the name of the one or
two before the one you require and be listening out for that.

Neil

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Kat wrote...

I'm not so sure it would particularly easy on London bus
routes; there are many stops that wouldn't be easy to name.
Stops at well known places; stations, large shops, pubs
and cinemas for sure, but what about all the
stops in not very memorable places?

Every bus stop has a name written on it.

--
John Rowland - Spamtrapped
Transport Plans for the London Area, updated 2001
http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Acro...69/tpftla.html
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That's why my vehicle's the Piccadilly Line -
It's the size of a county and it comes every two and a half minutes

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Every bus stop has a name written on it.


Even request stops?

Even request stops.

Niklas
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computer history where CPUs became so cheap that it was possible to build an
operating system without adult supervision."
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"John Rowland" wrote in message
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Every bus stop has a name written on it.


Even request stops?

Even request stops.

Ok...
Can you give me an example; are they useful names to anyone who might not
know the area? I'm thinking of bus routes outside central London.

Heath Road Grove Avenue (Twickenham, at the crossing of said streets)
Bedfont Lakes Business Park (Feltham)

Niklas
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Kat wrote:
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Every bus stop has a name written on it.


Even request stops?

Even request stops.

Ok...
Can you give me an example; are they useful names to anyone who might
not know the area? I'm thinking of bus routes outside central London.

If you go to http://www.tfl.gov.uk/buses/spiders/borough.shtml and look at
one of the spider maps, you will see all the stops in a particular area.
Where a bus route has a number of stops along the same main road, a stop on
the map such as "Leytonstone High Road / Michael Road" would appear on the
bus stop as just "Michael Road".

Are they useful to anyone who might not know the area? Yes, because they
identify the stop, and enable clear directions to be given to visitors.
Also, they are referred to on the TfL Journey Planner's route details and
maps, and the spider maps are posted at main bus stops.
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Jason wrote:
On Tue, 21 Oct 2003 10:35:54 GMT, "Richard J."
wrote:

4) Ban people who can't spell buses.

http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=buses
bus
n. pl. bus·es or bus·ses
[snip]

It's not the OED I know, but is accepted.

Accepted in the US, maybe. The site uses American dictionaries and is
based in Los Angeles, so it's not surprising that it includes the
American variant spelling "busses". The plural of "bus" in British
English is always "buses". (Source: New Oxford Dictionary of English,
2001)

Given that the derivation of "bus" is as an abbreviation of "omnibus", I
should b* well hope so.

--
Colin Rosenstiel

"John Rowland" wrote in message
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Kat wrote...

I'm not so sure it would particularly easy on London bus
routes; there are many stops that wouldn't be easy to name.
Stops at well known places; stations, large shops, pubs
and cinemas for sure, but what about all the
stops in not very memorable places?

Every bus stop has a name written on it.


Even request stops?


--
Kat in Downtown Toronto