On 31/07/2009 at 15:48:56 Roland Perry (%mail)wrote: in
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In message . li, at
13:39:03 on Fri, 31 Jul 2009, Tom Anderson
remarked:
The airspace here would seem to be reasonably "high value".

At the moment, it's got a rubbish bar on top of it; it wouldn't
seem to be particularly high-value just yet. Doubtless, as King's
Cross becomes more desirable, it will.

It's a bit (metaphorically) low-rent around there at the moment. One
of the cheapest Travelodges overlooks the station. And much of the
rest of the area is alleyways and the backs of Victorian terraces.

A little bit north of there, and a bit west too is the lovely shiny
King's Place development - see http://www.kingsplace.co.uk for details.
Gallery, concert hall, bar and cafe overlooking the canal basin.

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Richard Hunt

On 31 July, 20:58, " Richard Hunt" wrote:
It's a bit (metaphorically) low-rent around there at the moment. One
of the cheapest Travelodges overlooks the station. And much of the
rest of the area is alleyways and the backs of Victorian terraces.

A little bit north of there, and a bit west too is the lovely shiny
King's Place development - seehttp://www.kingsplace.co.ukfor details.
Gallery, concert hall, bar and cafe overlooking the canal basin.

The former surface station would be a great spot to build housing (and
still allowing a narrower frontage for an emergency tube exit). "low-
rent" from a building isn't something that landlords would be too
worried about if the result of doing nothing is "no rent at all".

There's a wide sub surface walkway to just in front of kings cross
station from the overbridge at the former station, and its currently
disused. I'm sure they could do something useful with that, even if
its just adding a glossy entrance to the lighthouse building so you
don't need to cross that road junction.

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(nospam_lonelytraveller_nospam) wrote:

There's a wide sub surface walkway to just in front of kings cross
station from the overbridge at the former station, and its currently
disused. I'm sure they could do something useful with that, even if
its just adding a glossy entrance to the lighthouse building so you
don't need to cross that road junction.

Is there? I don't remember that anytime since KXTL reopened in the 80s.

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Colin Rosenstiel

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08:36:43 on Sat, 1 Aug 2009, nospam_lonelytraveller_nospam
remarked:
On 31 July, 20:58, " Richard Hunt" wrote:
It's a bit (metaphorically) low-rent around there at the moment. One
of the cheapest Travelodges overlooks the station. And much of the
rest of the area is alleyways and the backs of Victorian terraces.

A little bit north of there, and a bit west too is the lovely shiny
King's Place development - seehttp://www.kingsplace.co.ukfor details.
Gallery, concert hall, bar and cafe overlooking the canal basin.

The former surface station would be a great spot to build housing (and
still allowing a narrower frontage for an emergency tube exit).

It's useful as a proper tube exit too.

"low- rent" from a building isn't something that landlords would be too
worried about if the result of doing nothing is "no rent at all".

"Low rent" is a metaphor. Other expressions are a bit more anglo saxon.

There's a wide sub surface walkway to just in front of kings cross
station from the overbridge at the former station, and its currently
disused.

Isn't that the tunnel which will be the main passageway from the
northern ticket hall to the Piccadilly and Victoria Line platforms.
See the sections near the "5" marks he

http://www.perry.co.uk/images/kx-com...with-lifts.jpg
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Roland Perry

There's a wide sub surface walkway to just in front of kings cross
station from the overbridge at the former station, and its currently
disused.

Isn't that the tunnel which will be the main passageway from the
northern ticket hall to the Piccadilly and Victoria Line platforms.
See the sections near the "5" marks he

http://www.perry.co.uk/images/kx-com...with-lifts.jpg
No. Its the one just below the surface, its not a tube, its
rectangular. Here are some pictures -

http://www.abandonedstations.org.uk/...ngsCross51.jpg

http://www.abandonedstations.org.uk/...ngsCross52.jpg

this is where its sealed off:

http://www.abandonedstations.org.uk/...ngsCross55.jpg

"nospam_lonelytraveller_nospam"
wrote in message
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There's a wide sub surface walkway to just in front of kings cross
station from the overbridge at the former station, and its currently
disused.

Isn't that the tunnel which will be the main passageway from the
northern ticket hall to the Piccadilly and Victoria Line platforms.
See the sections near the "5" marks he

http://www.perry.co.uk/images/kx-com...with-lifts.jpg
No. Its the one just below the surface, its not a tube, its
rectangular. Here are some pictures -

http://www.abandonedstations.org.uk/...ngsCross51.jpg

http://www.abandonedstations.org.uk/...ngsCross52.jpg

this is where its sealed off:

http://www.abandonedstations.org.uk/...ngsCross55.jpg

And do you have something which could help us locate it from the side of the
active area of the station?

Cheers

DW downunder

"Roland Perry" wrote in message
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In message
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08:36:43 on Sat, 1 Aug 2009, nospam_lonelytraveller_nospam
remarked:
There's a wide sub surface walkway to just in front of kings cross
station from the overbridge at the former station, and its currently
disused.

Isn't that the tunnel which will be the main passageway from the northern
ticket hall to the Piccadilly and Victoria Line platforms.
See the sections near the "5" marks he

http://www.perry.co.uk/images/kx-com...with-lifts.jpg

Do you have a more legible version of that map? It's a bit (!) hard to read.

I'd always thought that the tunnel ran further south-west and came out near
position 1 labelled "Kings Cross Mainline (ECML)". But I could be wrong:
it's a while since I used that tunnel because it was not very well
signposted from the KX Thameslink station (or else I kept missing the
signs!) and it was easier (even if slower) to come up to surface level and
cross Pentonville Road.

In message , at
19:08:57 on Sat, 1 Aug 2009, Mortimer remarked:

Isn't that the tunnel which will be the main passageway from the
northern ticket hall to the Piccadilly and Victoria Line platforms.
See the sections near the "5" marks he

http://www.perry.co.uk/images/kx-com...with-lifts.jpg

Do you have a more legible version of that map? It's a bit (!) hard to read.

It's a combination of maps, and I'm afraid that's as good as it gets.

It shows what will e there when the rebuilding is finished (not what was
there before). However, east of the Victoria Line the foot tunnel (not
actually shown) follows the same route to the Thameslink station as it
used to (emerges at the bottom of the escalator up to ground level).

I'd always thought that the tunnel ran further south-west and came out
near position 1 labelled "Kings Cross Mainline (ECML)". But I could be
wrong: it's a while since I used that tunnel because it was not very
well signposted from the KX Thameslink station (or else I kept missing
the signs!) and it was easier (even if slower) to come up to surface
level and cross Pentonville Road.

I don't remember where the foot tunnel went west of the Piccadilly line
- did it carry on as far as the Northern Line platforms, or not carry on
at all?

The section between the Victoria and Piccadilly has been given a
diversion round something, in recent years.
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Roland Perry

In message , Roland Perry
wrote:
I don't remember where the foot tunnel went west of the Piccadilly line
- did it carry on as far as the Northern Line platforms, or not carry
on at all?

Not at all. It was to connect the Piccadilly to the Midland station.

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In article , (Clive
D. W. Feather) wrote:

In message , Roland Perry
wrote:
I don't remember where the foot tunnel went west of the Piccadilly line
- did it carry on as far as the Northern Line platforms, or not carry
on at all?

Not at all. It was to connect the Piccadilly to the Midland station.

What do you mean by "the Midland station"? The Widened Lines platforms?

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Colin Rosenstiel