On 7 Aug, 09:51, "David A Stocks" wrote:
"Paul Corfield" wrote in message

...

Quite. *I can't remember the last time I was seriously delayed
*leaving* a tube station. *And yet it happens just about every time
I have to go through barriers at Victoria.

I think the fact that £700m is to be spent expanding capacity at
Victoria is indicative that the place is seriously below capacity hence
the queuing time.

I thought David was commenting on how long it took to get through the *NR*
barriers at Victoria.

Nonetheless I suspect the 5 minute delay parameter might apply for NR
terminal stations.

The only NR barrier line I use regularly is the one serving platforms 15-19
at Victoria, and this is the only one I've encountered that seems to have
acceptable capacity in the morning peak. It only fails on the rare
occassions that two full trains arrive simultaneously - they usually open
all the gates and shout at people to walk through.

D A Stocks

It often takes a lot of time to get out of of the lower numbered side
of Victora NR. Platform 8, in particular, is a terrible bottleneck,
and it's usually better to walk to the far end and back down platform
7.

Given that that side of the station is relatively underused per
platform, there does seem to be a real problem there. I don't find
the same problem at Charing Cross, for example, which has a much
heavier use of platforms.

On Thu, Aug 06, 2009 at 11:59:49AM +0100, Daniel Barlow wrote:
David Cantrell writes:
And I maintain that there should be giant hydraulic spikes shooting up
through the floor whenever a passenger is too ****ing stupid to work the
gate.
I'm not sure how that would decrease congestion at the barrier. Steam
catapult?

It wouldn't solve it immediately, but over a few days or weeks it would
weed the troublemakers out of the population.

--
David Cantrell | Minister for Arbitrary Justice

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David A Stocks wrote:

The only NR barrier line I use regularly is the one serving platforms
15-19 at Victoria, and this is the only one I've encountered that seems to
have acceptable capacity in the morning peak. It only fails on the rare
occassions that two full trains arrive simultaneously - they usually open
all the gates and shout at people to walk through.

How are the barrier lines going to cope if and when Oyster PAYG is
implemented on more NR lines? For that matter how does the tube handle
people needing to go past a pad against the need to get huge crowds through
quickly? I remember havig some problems with Victoria in the carnet days
because it was impossible to validate my ticket on entry as they often
closed the entry barriers and let people through the manual gate in batches
at a time.

On Thu, Aug 06, 2009 at 01:40:13PM +0100, Paul Corfield wrote:
On Thu, 06 Aug 2009 06:14:21 -0500,
wrote:
In article ,
(David Cantrell) wrote:
On Wed, Aug 05, 2009 at 04:02:30PM +0100, Paul Corfield wrote:
On LUL we plan to make sure that the gates are not an evacuation route
pinch point and also that there are sufficient gates for the highest
peak 5 minute combined flow rate. This should mean there is very
little queuing at a gateline although I recognise some locations fare
better than others in this respect.
Quite. I can't remember the last time I was seriously delayed
*leaving* a tube station. And yet it happens just about every time
I have to go through barriers at Victoria.
I think the fact that £700m is to be spent expanding capacity at
Victoria is indicative that the place is seriously below capacity hence
the queuing time.

I meant the National Rail station, BTW. There's often delays getting
off their platforms, especially at platforms 9-12. The choke point
there is between platform and concourse. I've never noticed any
problems getting in and out of the station itself.

That particular choke point would go away if they knocked down the
shops selling junk food. I doubt it would cost more than ten grand to
knock 'em down, cart away the rubbish, and make good the new floor
space.

OK, 100 grand and it'll take twice as long for a worse job, cos it's
the public sector and they have to use a "preferred contractor"
instead of Wladislaw Unpronouncablowski from down the pub.

--
David Cantrell | Enforcer, South London Linguistic Massive

What profiteth a man, if he win a flame war, yet lose his cool?

It wouldn't solve it immediately, but over a few days or weeks it would
weed the troublemakers out of the population.

I dunno, about 20 times per day I get asked "Where is platform /x/?" If
they travelled through the station more than once then they'd never ask
again so I think stupidity is everlasting.

Commuter wrote

I dunno, about 20 times per day I get asked "Where is platform /x/?"
If
they travelled through the station more than once then they'd never
ask
again so I think stupidity is everlasting.

More than once /within the past year/ perhaps.

At Woking neither platform 1 nor platform 2 is where it was when I was
a lad and it's not in the least obvious where platform 3 is.

And at some stations with a "simple" layout all the signs refer to
destinations but announcements use platform numbers.

--
Mike D

Michael R N Dolbear wrote:
More than once /within the past year/ perhaps.

At Woking neither platform 1 nor platform 2 is where it was when I was
a lad and it's not in the least obvious where platform 3 is.

And at some stations with a "simple" layout all the signs refer to
destinations but announcements use platform numbers.

Perhaps but it still begs the question why they can't follow signs such as

"Other Platforms
(1, 5-12)"

or

"Platforms 1-4 & 6-12"

On Aug 10, 8:11*pm, Commuter wrote:

It wouldn't solve it immediately, but over a few days or weeks it would
weed the troublemakers out of the population.

I dunno, about 20 times per day I get asked "Where is platform /x/?" If
they travelled through the station more than once then they'd never ask
again so I think stupidity is everlasting.

Isn't it rather more uplifting to kindly simply tell said person where
it is and thus help them out instead of getting angry and snooty and
superior about it?