"Roland Perry" wrote in message

In message , at 13:45:07 on
Tue, 11 Aug 2009, Recliner remarked:
My impression from a quick Google is that retail employment has been
increasing steadily at half to one percent per annum over the last
decade.

I would think that the jobs per sales pound are much lower in an
Asda or Tesco than the small shops they replace. Yes, you'll see
shelf-stackers and staff loading bins for on-line shoppers in the
aisles, but the average shopper will have much less human
interaction with staff than in an old-fashioned small shop.

But other retailers may be recruiting as well, as the increasingly
affluent population (OK, not necessarily this year) spends more in
retailers, buying stuff their predecessors simply couldn't buy (ie,
it simply didn't exist or they couldn't afford it).

Every "traditional" shop near where I live, be it a corner shop or in
one of the several parades, is still open as a shop. They aren't
generally selling groceries any more (apart from a few specialist
deli's) but they are selling something.

I wonder how many of those are estate agents or bank/building society
offices? And, of course, you now have mobile phone stores, pizza
delivery outfits, etc.

In message , at 14:44:28 on
Tue, 11 Aug 2009, Recliner remarked:
Every "traditional" shop near where I live, be it a corner shop or in
one of the several parades, is still open as a shop. They aren't
generally selling groceries any more (apart from a few specialist
deli's) but they are selling something.

I wonder how many of those are estate agents or bank/building society
offices? And, of course, you now have mobile phone stores, pizza
delivery outfits, etc.

One of the odd things is that my town has only one mobile phone shop
(Carphone Warehouse) and it is literally the shop furthest from the
centre. There must be some retail database that all the phone companies
use, to choose new sites, which scores the place too low.

There aren't many estate agents, but plenty of banks and building
societies. All of these need staff, however.

There is just one pizza delivery place (a tiny delivery/pickup-only
Pizza Hut). Nearby is a Pizza Express, ironically in a building that
used to be a Building Society (it closed, rather than relocated).
--
Roland Perry

"Roland Perry" wrote in message

In message , at 14:44:28 on
Tue, 11 Aug 2009, Recliner remarked:
Every "traditional" shop near where I live, be it a corner shop or
in one of the several parades, is still open as a shop. They aren't
generally selling groceries any more (apart from a few specialist
deli's) but they are selling something.

I wonder how many of those are estate agents or bank/building society
offices? And, of course, you now have mobile phone stores, pizza
delivery outfits, etc.

One of the odd things is that my town has only one mobile phone shop
(Carphone Warehouse) and it is literally the shop furthest from the
centre. There must be some retail database that all the phone
companies use, to choose new sites, which scores the place too low.

There aren't many estate agents, but plenty of banks and building
societies. All of these need staff, however.

That's what I meant when I said that it's these 'new' types of retailers
that are employing extra staff, while supermarkets need less staff per
pound of sales.

In message , at 16:23:10 on
Tue, 11 Aug 2009, Recliner remarked:
There aren't many estate agents, but plenty of banks and building
societies. All of these need staff, however.

That's what I meant when I said that it's these 'new' types of retailers
that are employing extra staff, while supermarkets need less staff per
pound of sales.

But overall the staff levels are gradually increasing.
--
Roland Perry

"Roland Perry" wrote in message

In message , at 16:23:10 on
Tue, 11 Aug 2009, Recliner remarked:
There aren't many estate agents, but plenty of banks and building
societies. All of these need staff, however.

That's what I meant when I said that it's these 'new' types of
retailers that are employing extra staff, while supermarkets need
less staff per pound of sales.

But overall the staff levels are gradually increasing.

That may well be so, but the point I was making was that when a
supermarket moves into town, the numerous 'new' jobs it claims to be
creating will be at the expense of a larger number existing jobs in
local small shops, so there's an immediate drop in local retail
employment. In due course, some of these small shops will close, and may
well be replaced by new types of shops (ie, mobile phones, takeaways,
internet cafes, banks, etc), so that the total number of retail jobs may
indeed increase over time. But that's not because of the claimed new
jobs created by the supermarket.

In message , at 17:40:42 on
Tue, 11 Aug 2009, Recliner remarked:
"Roland Perry" wrote in message

In message , at 16:23:10 on
Tue, 11 Aug 2009, Recliner remarked:
There aren't many estate agents, but plenty of banks and building
societies. All of these need staff, however.

That's what I meant when I said that it's these 'new' types of
retailers that are employing extra staff, while supermarkets need
less staff per pound of sales.

But overall the staff levels are gradually increasing.

That may well be so, but the point I was making was that when a
supermarket moves into town, the numerous 'new' jobs it claims to be
creating will be at the expense of a larger number existing jobs in
local small shops, so there's an immediate drop in local retail
employment.

It's not immediate

In due course,

Thankyou

some of these small shops will close, and may
well be replaced by new types of shops (ie, mobile phones, takeaways,
internet cafes, banks, etc), so that the total number of retail jobs may
indeed increase over time.

The existing jobs stay much the same and...

But that's not because of the claimed new jobs created by the
supermarket.

.... the "new" jobs at the supermarket still exist, and are genuine new
jobs.
--
Roland Perry