On 11 Aug, 15:38, "Recliner" wrote:
"Roland Perry" wrote in message



In message , at 14:42:18 on
Tue, 11 Aug 2009, Recliner remarked:
Sorry - not sure exactly what they're called, but why is it only
the SSL and Overground that are to get trains that you can walk
all the way through (like a bendy bus)?

I thought there were plans for such trains in the Underground (the
ex-Metrolink contract).

I think the 2009 Victoria line trains are the only tube trains
ordered by Metronet.

There originally seemed to be bigger plans, for more new trains.

Not that I can recall. The Bakerloo is the only other Metronet line with
old trains, but they're not due for replacement for a few years yet. Had
Metronet remained in its original form, I'm sure these would just have
been follow-ons from the Bombardier 2009 stock (rather like the Met-Cam
1972 stock was based on the 1967 TS), but TfL is much more likely to put
it out to tender.

I assume Tube Lines will also put the Piccadilly replacement stock out
to tender, but not just yet -- perhaps the 1972 and 1973 replacements
will be a single new stock, much as the S stock replaces the A, C and D
stocks. Conceivably, Bombardier could win both those contracts as well,
but Alston, for one, is likely to be keen to bid.

As mentioned upthread, for reasons of tight space and twisty track, I
think it highly unlikely that any LU tube stock will have walk-through
inter-car connections. *After all, just think how narrow and low the
doorways would have to be!

I wouldn't be surprised if the 1967 stock was in a better condition
than 1972 stock anyway, not having been subjected to the bends, bounce
and manual driving of the bakerloo.

I wonder if some will cascaded, or maybe it doesn't have the full
manual driving equipment?

"MIG" wrote in message

On 11 Aug, 15:38, "Recliner" wrote:


I wouldn't be surprised if the 1967 stock was in a better condition
than 1972 stock anyway, not having been subjected to the bends, bounce
and manual driving of the bakerloo.

I wonder if some will cascaded, or maybe it doesn't have the full
manual driving equipment?

Well, aren't many of the Victoria line inner cabs from 1972 stock
anyway? And I think the trailers are the same anyway. So, if they
needed more stock for the Bakerloo line, they could do a sort of reverse
cascase. I'm not sure the trains could be used on the Picc, though.

On 11 Aug, 16:18, "Recliner" wrote:
"MIG" wrote in message



On 11 Aug, 15:38, "Recliner" wrote:

I wouldn't be surprised if the 1967 stock was in a better condition
than 1972 stock anyway, not having been subjected to the bends, bounce
and manual driving of the bakerloo.

I wonder if some will cascaded, or maybe it doesn't have the full
manual driving equipment?

Well, aren't many of the Victoria line inner cabs from 1972 stock
anyway? *And I think the trailers are the same anyway. So, if they
needed more stock for the Bakerloo line, they could do a sort of reverse
cascase. I'm not sure the trains could be used on the Picc, though.

Yes, I think some 1972 Mark 1 coaches from the Northern are on the
Victoria.

The 1973 stock is different, with longer coaches (and less of them),
so there probably isn't much scope for a cascade there.

"MIG" wrote in message

On 11 Aug, 16:18, "Recliner" wrote:
"MIG" wrote in message



On 11 Aug, 15:38, "Recliner" wrote:

I wouldn't be surprised if the 1967 stock was in a better condition
than 1972 stock anyway, not having been subjected to the bends,
bounce and manual driving of the bakerloo.

I wonder if some will cascaded, or maybe it doesn't have the full
manual driving equipment?

Well, aren't many of the Victoria line inner cabs from 1972 stock
anyway? And I think the trailers are the same anyway. So, if they
needed more stock for the Bakerloo line, they could do a sort of
reverse cascase. I'm not sure the trains could be used on the Picc,
though.

Yes, I think some 1972 Mark 1 coaches from the Northern are on the
Victoria.

The 1973 stock is different, with longer coaches (and less of them),
so there probably isn't much scope for a cascade there.

It might be possible to run complete 7-car 1972 stock on the Picc,
though I'm not sure that there's a shortage of 1973 stock.

On 11 Aug, 17:28, "Recliner" wrote:
"MIG" wrote in message







On 11 Aug, 16:18, "Recliner" wrote:
"MIG" wrote in message



On 11 Aug, 15:38, "Recliner" wrote:

I wouldn't be surprised if the 1967 stock was in a better condition
than 1972 stock anyway, not having been subjected to the bends,
bounce and manual driving of the bakerloo.

I wonder if some will cascaded, or maybe it doesn't have the full
manual driving equipment?

Well, aren't many of the Victoria line inner cabs from 1972 stock
anyway? And I think the trailers are the same anyway. So, if they
needed more stock for the Bakerloo line, they could do a sort of
reverse cascase. I'm not sure the trains could be used on the Picc,
though.

Yes, I think some 1972 Mark 1 coaches from the Northern are on the
Victoria.

The 1973 stock is different, with longer coaches (and less of them),
so there probably isn't much scope for a cascade there.

It might be possible to run complete 7-car 1972 stock on the Picc,
though I'm not sure that there's a shortage of 1973 stock.-

Well, I seem to remember that a slightly shorter train was required
when they moved the guard to the back cab, so maybe not a problem any
more. But as you say, probably no shortage of 1973 stock anyway.