On Wed, 12 Aug 2009 16:10:08 +0100
Bruce wrote:
Not only will electric cars save CO2, but there will be a massive
reduction in other pollutants, notable particulates and oxides of
nitrogen. Many UK cities are already in breach of current legal
limits on those pollutants, and the limits are about to be tightened
further.

Hmm, now I wonder why that is. Could it be the popularity of diesel engines
in cars which were the ecomentalists engine of choice only a few years ago?

What was it they all chanted? We shouldn't use nasty petrol engines which give
off tiny amounts of particulates and virtually no gases other than CO2 and
water vapour from their catalysed exhaust, no , lets use something which
belches out buckets of filth even with filters but outputs ever so slightly
less CO2 per km. *sigh*

B2003

On Wed, 12 Aug 2009 15:27:09 +0000 (UTC),
wrote:

On Wed, 12 Aug 2009 16:10:08 +0100
Bruce wrote:
Not only will electric cars save CO2, but there will be a massive
reduction in other pollutants, notable particulates and oxides of
nitrogen. Many UK cities are already in breach of current legal
limits on those pollutants, and the limits are about to be tightened
further.

Hmm, now I wonder why that is. Could it be the popularity of diesel engines
in cars which were the ecomentalists engine of choice only a few years ago?

What was it they all chanted? We shouldn't use nasty petrol engines which give
off tiny amounts of particulates and virtually no gases other than CO2 and
water vapour from their catalysed exhaust, no , lets use something which
belches out buckets of filth even with filters but outputs ever so slightly
less CO2 per km. *sigh*


Well, as usual, you have comprehensively missed the point. The next
round of tightening of emissions regulations for cars will make diesel
engines virtually as clean as petrol engines from the point of view of
particulates. The oxides of nitrogen are more of a problem for petrol
cars.

The legislation that is being tightened is that for pollutants in city
air. Obviously, the sources for these include cars, vans, lorries,
buses, trains and aircraft as as well as other industrial and domestic
sources. But the legislation is about air quality, not about
emissions from individual vehicles.

On Wed, 12 Aug 2009 16:47:07 +0100
Bruce wrote:
Well, as usual, you have comprehensively missed the point. The next

So have you. Catalysed petrol engines have been pretty clean since the 80s.
Saying that soon diesel engines will be as clean as petrol (ie they're not
yet) is just laughable. This is 2009 FFS, not 1985! Crap from vehicle
exhausts should have been a problem solved 20 years ago.

particulates. The oxides of nitrogen are more of a problem for petrol
cars.

Which is what the catalysts are for.

The legislation that is being tightened is that for pollutants in city
air. Obviously, the sources for these include cars, vans, lorries,
buses, trains and aircraft as as well as other industrial and domestic
sources. But the legislation is about air quality, not about
emissions from individual vehicles.

Err yes, but individual vehicles contribute towards air quality. And if I
had the power I'd say sod diesel engines altogether , sod the extra CO2 and
mandate petrol or some sort of spark ignition engine used in all vehicles
unless it simply wasn't possible (eg in high flammability risk areas or the
like).

B2003

On Thu, 13 Aug 2009 08:41:53 +0000 (UTC),
wrote:

And if I had the power I'd say ...


yawn

On Thu, 13 Aug 2009 13:17:57 +0100
Bruce wrote:


On Thu, 13 Aug 2009 08:41:53 +0000 (UTC),
wrote:

And if I had the power I'd say ...


yawn

Can't say I expected anything better from the same halfwit who tried to
convince uk.railway that every road in britain is fenced.

*plonk*

B2003

On Thu, 13 Aug 2009 12:38:02 +0000 (UTC),
wrote:

On Thu, 13 Aug 2009 13:17:57 +0100
Bruce wrote:


On Thu, 13 Aug 2009 08:41:53 +0000 (UTC),
wrote:

And if I had the power I'd say ...


yawn

Can't say I expected anything better from the same halfwit who tried to
convince uk.railway that every road in britain is fenced.


Even though they are. You just wanted to put your own, very strange
personal slant on the word "fenced" and got yourself totally confused.

Bruce gurgled happily, sounding much like they
were saying:

Can't say I expected anything better from the same halfwit who tried to
convince uk.railway that every road in britain is fenced.

Even though they are. You just wanted to put your own, very strange
personal slant on the word "fenced" and got yourself totally confused.

I'd love to hear what possible redefinition of the word "fenced" could
possibly be used to justify that claim.

On Aug 13, 4:15*pm, Bruce wrote:
Even though they are. *You just wanted to put your own, very strange
personal slant on the word "fenced" and got yourself totally confused.

http://maps.google.co.uk/?ie=UTF8&ll...11,210.32,,0,5

Wait, whats that noise?

Oh yes, its the sound of a very heavy penny dropping on Bruces foot.
Luckily his other foot is already out of harms way in his mouth.

B2003

On Thu, Aug 13, 2009 at 04:15:22PM +0100, Bruce wrote:
On Thu, 13 Aug 2009 12:38:02 +0000 (UTC),
wrote:
Can't say I expected anything better from the same halfwit who tried to
convince uk.railway that every road in britain is fenced.
Even though they are. You just wanted to put your own, very strange
personal slant on the word "fenced" and got yourself totally confused.

I'd like to invite you to go to Google Maps, find Beulah Road in
Thornton Heath (postcode CR7 8JH), take a screenshot, and then using the
graphics package of your choice, mark where the fences are. Cos I live
there, and I'm buggered if I can spot them.

--
David Cantrell | A machine for turning tea into grumpiness

Suffer the little children to come unto me, as
their buying habits are most easily influenced.
-- Marketroid Jesus

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On Wed, 12 Aug 2009 16:10:08 +0100
Bruce wrote:
Not only will electric cars save CO2, but there will be a massive
reduction in other pollutants, notable particulates and oxides of
nitrogen. Many UK cities are already in breach of current legal
limits on those pollutants, and the limits are about to be tightened
further.

Hmm, now I wonder why that is. Could it be the popularity of diesel
engines in cars which were the ecomentalists engine of choice only a
few years ago?

What was it they all chanted? We shouldn't use nasty petrol engines
which give off tiny amounts of particulates and virtually no gases
other than CO2 and water vapour from their catalysed exhaust, no ,
lets use something which belches out buckets of filth even with
filters but outputs ever so slightly less CO2 per km. *sigh*

I see you have completely ignored oxides of Nitrogen, the main pollutant
exceedance problem, certainly where I am (central Cambridge). That it is a
NOx rather than a particulates problem is despite the preponderance of
diesels (mainly buses) in the pollution generation compared to the general
case.

--
Colin Rosenstiel