"Mizter T" wrote in message
...
Just seen this mentioned on the DD forum - a poster there has noticed
that the unofficial (but rather well informed) "London Bus Routes"
website shows that the ELC rail replacement bus service - the route
that runs from New Cross Gate via New Cross and Rotherhithe stations
to Canada Water and v.v. - is supposedly being discontinued from 26
September, see:
http://www.londonbusroutes.net/changes.htm#151

Eh?! Some mistake, surely? The extended East London Line isn't going
to open until some time next year (the most optimistic estimates were
for December this year, but that now seems unlikely) - to withdraw the
ELC bus service now would be rather premature, to say the least.

Another possible explanation. 15th September sees the formal legal transfer
of the line away from LU to London Rail. SI 2009 - 2168.

Perhaps LU have transferred the problem to LR, who have a completely
different replacement bus policy?

Paul S

On Sep 1, 7:45*pm, Paul Corfield wrote:
On Sat, 29 Aug 2009 21:06:41 +0100, "Paul Scott"



wrote:

"Mizter T" wrote in message
....
Just seen this mentioned on the DD forum - a poster there has noticed
that the unofficial (but rather well informed) "London Bus Routes"
website shows that the ELC rail replacement bus service - the route
that runs from New Cross Gate via New Cross and Rotherhithe stations
to Canada Water and v.v. - is supposedly being discontinued from 26
September, see:
http://www.londonbusroutes.net/changes.htm#151

Eh?! Some mistake, surely? The extended East London Line isn't going
to open until some time next year (the most optimistic estimates were
for December this year, but that now seems unlikely) - to withdraw the
ELC bus service now would be rather premature, to say the least.

Another possible explanation. 15th September sees the formal legal transfer
of the line away from LU to London Rail. SI 2009 - 2168.

Perhaps LU have transferred the problem to LR, who have a completely
different replacement bus policy?

And 10/10 to Mr Scott. *Having seen the internal notice today it is
indeed the case that responsibility for these services passes to London
Rail and yes they do have rather a different policy to LUL on rail
replacements. The ELC is finishing and passengers will be directed to
use the 225 instead as it apparently has the capacity and to walk from
New Cross Gate down the road to catch it!

There is also a proposal (not yet confirmed) that the hours of the ELW
will be substantially reduced as well.

It is also worth noting that future tube maps will no longer show the
ELL replacement services and also that in car publicity maps are not
going to be updated due to lack of cash and therefore will still show
them! Sounds wonderful doesn't it!?

--
Paul C

And that presumably one will have to pay for the 225 when using PAYG,
rather than it being free... So not really a replacement bus at all.

On Sep 1, 8:40*pm, Paul Corfield wrote:

On Tue, 1 Sep 2009 12:29:50 -0700 (PDT), SamB
wrote:

And that presumably one will have to pay for the 225 when using PAYG,
rather than it being free... So not really a replacement bus at all.

LUL tickets will be accepted on the 225 as they are on the 381. I take
the point you make but strictly the ELL rail replacement buses aren't
free either - I thought they had working ticket machines that charged
the LUL fare or have I got that bit wrong?

They all charge a fare of 0p (i.e. zero pence) on Oyster PAYG. No
fancy pseudo-Tube fare charging arrangements apply.

For New Cross to Surrey Quays/ Canada Water the bus fare (on the 225)
of £1 is cheaper than the £1.10 fare that one would have been charged
on the LU EWLL line, were it still to be open. But obviously that all
falls apart when considering onward journeys on the Jubilee line from
Canada Water (or v.v.)... unless something clever is somehow
implemented (as you've previously suggested is perhaps possible)...

On Sep 1, 11:30*pm, Mizter T wrote:

They all charge a fare of 0p (i.e. zero pence) on Oyster PAYG. No
fancy pseudo-Tube fare charging arrangements apply.

For New Cross to Surrey Quays/ Canada Water the bus fare (on the 225)
of £1 is cheaper than the £1.10 fare that one would have been charged
on the LU EWLL line

....or indeed the LU ELL (without the superfluous "line" chucked in
there as well!).

Paul Corfield wrote:
On Sat, 29 Aug 2009 21:06:41 +0100, "Paul Scott"

Another possible explanation. 15th September sees the formal legal
transfer of the line away from LU to London Rail. SI 2009 - 2168.

Perhaps LU have transferred the problem to LR, who have a completely
different replacement bus policy?

And 10/10 to Mr Scott. Having seen the internal notice today it is
indeed the case that responsibility for these services passes to
London Rail and yes they do have rather a different policy to LUL on
rail replacements. T

Just seemed logical that the transfer might trigger changes.

Perhaps posts about what can or can't be possible on the ELL 'because it's
still part of the Underground' will no longer appear!

Paul S

On Sep 1, 7:45*pm, Paul Corfield wrote:

It is also worth noting that future tube maps will no longer show the
ELL replacement services and also that in car publicity maps are not
going to be updated due to lack of cash and therefore will still show
them! Sounds wonderful doesn't it!?

I'm not sure I follow that logic - Overground services appear on the
tube map, but Overground replacement bus services don't?

On 4 Sep, 14:52, teflon wrote:
On Sep 1, 7:45*pm, Paul Corfield wrote:

It is also worth noting that future tube maps will no longer show the
ELL replacement services and also that in car publicity maps are not
going to be updated due to lack of cash and therefore will still show
them! Sounds wonderful doesn't it!?

I'm not sure I follow that logic - Overground services appear on the
tube map, but Overground replacement bus services don't?

Not if they are withdrawn.

The first ELL Stock arrived last week at NXG Depot.

Regards


Leo

On 7 Sep, 19:06, Leo wrote:
The first ELL Stock arrived last week at NXG Depot.

Regards

Leo

For those that want to know the first one was 378 001. I saw a
picture.

Regards


Leo

On Sep 7, 7:55*pm, Leo wrote:
The first ELL Stock arrived last week at NXG Depot.


For those that want to know the first one was 378 001. I saw a
picture.

378001 is a dual-voltage 3-car 378/0 for the NLL/WLL, surely?

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John Band
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