As I was there today, and the new barriers started operating this
week, I was wondering if PAYG is switched on at New Cross Gate?

Given that it's technically an LU station for now, and will be on the
ELL where PAYG will be accepted, I was wondering if they would have
set it up already, or will reprogram it later?

Unlike the standalone pads at other NR stations that seem to be
working, but may have been uncovered by mistake, these ones have to be
used in order to get through.

Then there's the question of where you could actually go if it
registered the start of a PAYG journey ... The ELL closure and
constant DLR work have left the south east without a PAYG route a lot
of the time, and it would be good if, at the same time as getting rid
of the replacement buses, a deal was done to allow PAYG via London
Bridge from NXG and NX (and Lewisham and Greenwich when DLR is
closed).

On Sep 4, 11:07*am, MIG wrote:
As I was there today, and the new barriers started operating this
week, I was wondering if PAYG is switched on at New Cross Gate?

I very very much doubt it - why would it possibly be switched on when
you can't use Oyster PAYG from the station?


Given that it's technically an LU station for now, and will be on the
ELL where PAYG will be accepted, I was wondering if they would have
set it up already, or will reprogram it later?

It'll be reprogrammed to accept Oyster PAYG later (it's not some
herculean task - the whole system is specifically designed to be
easily adjustable).

It's not "technically an LU station for now" - it's operated by
Southern up until 19 September. From 20 September NXG, along all the
other stations that will be served by the southern extension of the
ELL (except New Cross), will be managed by London Overground (i.e.
LOROL). So there'll be a period when LO manages the stations despite
the fact that no LO trains will serve them.

See point 15 in this DfT press release:
http://nds.coi.gov.uk/content/detail...leaseID=402997


Unlike the standalone pads at other NR stations that seem to be
working, but may have been uncovered by mistake, these ones have to be
used in order to get through.

You can always try it... it won't work though!


Then there's the question of where you could actually go if it
registered the start of a PAYG journey ... *The ELL closure and
constant DLR work have left the south east without a PAYG route a lot
of the time, and it would be good if, at the same time as getting rid
of the replacement buses, a deal was done to allow PAYG via London
Bridge from NXG and NX *(and Lewisham and Greenwich when DLR is
closed).

Not going to happen. There aren't going to be any more route specific
deals to allow PAYG to be used on certain NR routes - the game is now
all about getting the big deal agreed and signed upon that brings all
NR routes in London into the PAYG-land. (The upcoming acceptance of
PAYG on Southern between Victoria and Balham seems to be more of a
trial run for the wider rollout of PAYG on NR in London, so it's an
exception of sorts.)

It remains to be seen whether the January 2010 deadline for getting
this agreed to is met. It also remains to be seen how the higher NR
PAYG fare scale will play on on the southern section of the ELL, given
that London Overground utilises the (lower) LU PAYG fare scale. We
shall see.

On 4 Sep, 11:51, Mizter T wrote:
On Sep 4, 11:07*am, MIG wrote:

As I was there today, and the new barriers started operating this
week, I was wondering if PAYG is switched on at New Cross Gate?

I very very much doubt it - why would it possibly be switched on when
you can't use Oyster PAYG from the station?

Only that in some cases discussed, it was, but for standalone pads
that maybe should have been covered or off.




Given that it's technically an LU station for now, and will be on the
ELL where PAYG will be accepted, I was wondering if they would have
set it up already, or will reprogram it later?

It'll be reprogrammed to accept Oyster PAYG later (it's not some
herculean task - the whole system is specifically designed to be
easily adjustable).

It's not "technically an LU station for now" - it's operated by
Southern up until 19 September.

Yes, I didn't mean in the "operated by" sense, but "served by" like,
say, Wimbledon, where PAYG has to be available because the station is
served by LU which, while the ELC is running and before the transfer,
is supposedly the case at NXG.

From 20 September NXG, along all the
other stations that will be served by the southern extension of the
ELL (except New Cross), will be managed by London Overground (i.e.
LOROL). So there'll be a period when LO manages the stations despite
the fact that no LO trains will serve them.

See point 15 in this DfT press release:http://nds.coi.gov.uk/content/detail...leaseID=402997



Unlike the standalone pads at other NR stations that seem to be
working, but may have been uncovered by mistake, these ones have to be
used in order to get through.

You can always try it... it won't work though!

Got a season for now, so it will be a while.


Then there's the question of where you could actually go if it
registered the start of a PAYG journey ... *The ELL closure and
constant DLR work have left the south east without a PAYG route a lot
of the time, and it would be good if, at the same time as getting rid
of the replacement buses, a deal was done to allow PAYG via London
Bridge from NXG and NX *(and Lewisham and Greenwich when DLR is
closed).

Not going to happen. There aren't going to be any more route specific
deals to allow PAYG to be used on certain NR routes - the game is now
all about getting the big deal agreed and signed upon that brings all
NR routes in London into the PAYG-land.

As ever, suffer today, because we're aiming for pie tomorrow. Not
surprising though.

(The upcoming acceptance of
PAYG on Southern between Victoria and Balham seems to be more of a
trial run for the wider rollout of PAYG on NR in London, so it's an
exception of sorts.)

It remains to be seen whether the January 2010 deadline for getting
this agreed to is met. It also remains to be seen how the higher NR
PAYG fare scale will play on on the southern section of the ELL, given
that London Overground utilises the (lower) LU PAYG fare scale. We
shall see.