Euston to Camden (Charing Cross Branch) was very quiet a 08:50. My carriage
had probably 6 passengers in total.

TFL site says
################################################## ###########
When the Northern line service resumes to all stations, it is planned to
operate two separate branches over the whole line until further notice:

- Edgware to Morden via Bank ONLY; and,
- High Barnet and Mill Hill East to Morden via Charing Cross ONLY.
################################################## ###########

Is this because the points are still damaged, or because they don't know why
the train derailed ?

I understand it's because of the latter. The curve from Bank branch to the
High Barnet Platform at Camden Town, where the derailment happened is
particularly sharp, and they want to avoid trains using that route for the
moment.

--
Lawrence Myers


"simon" wrote in message
...

Euston to Camden (Charing Cross Branch) was very quiet a 08:50. My
carriage
had probably 6 passengers in total.

TFL site says
################################################## ###########
When the Northern line service resumes to all stations, it is planned to
operate two separate branches over the whole line until further notice:

- Edgware to Morden via Bank ONLY; and,
- High Barnet and Mill Hill East to Morden via Charing Cross ONLY.
################################################## ###########

Is this because the points are still damaged, or because they don't know
why
the train derailed ?

"simon" wrote in message ...
Euston to Camden (Charing Cross Branch) was very quiet a 08:50. My carriage
had probably 6 passengers in total.

TFL site says
################################################## ###########
When the Northern line service resumes to all stations, it is planned to
operate two separate branches over the whole line until further notice:

- Edgware to Morden via Bank ONLY; and,
- High Barnet and Mill Hill East to Morden via Charing Cross ONLY.
################################################## ###########

Is this because the points are still damaged, or because they don't know why
the train derailed ?

Probably the latter. It looks like they'll be running a service
opposite to the one in which the derailment occurred.

In article , (simon)
wrote:


Euston to Camden (Charing Cross Branch) was very quiet a 08:50. My
carriage
had probably 6 passengers in total.

TFL site says
################################################## ###########
When the Northern line service resumes to all stations, it is planned to
operate two separate branches over the whole line until further notice:

- Edgware to Morden via Bank ONLY; and,
- High Barnet and Mill Hill East to Morden via Charing Cross ONLY.
################################################## ###########

Is this because the points are still damaged, or because they don't
know why
the train derailed ?



Not too sure, although it wouldn't take long to repair/replace the points.
The new timetable (85/03) will be in for some time - rumours are until
March. Starting on Sunday, the timetable gives a self-contained service as
you say, except that the CX service will terminate at Kennington:

The timetable is as follows:
Monday-Sunday
From start to close of traffic:
(the frequency and destination may vary slightly on the early start-up
trains)

Morden to Edgware v City - every 5 mins
Edgware to Morden v City - every 5 mins
Kennington NB to Barnet branch via CX - every 5 mins
Barnet branch SB to Kennington via CX - every 5 mins
to/from High Barnet 5, 5, 10, 5, 5, 10mins
to/from Mill Hill East - every 15 mins

The departure times past the hour are exactly the same throughout the day,
seven days a week, except that Sunday starts later and finishes earlier
(i.e. normal Sunday times). First and last train times remain the same.

The M-F and Sat timetable is exactly the same, with no timetabled M-F peak
service.

The maximum number of timetabled trains in service on any day is 50. This
is effectively from 06:33-00:04 M-F and 08:22-22:43 Sun.

Additional untimetabled trains will be put into service in the M-F peak
hours, thus giving a greater frequency.

Trains will be numbered:
1-36 - Edgware-Morden via Bank
101-106 - MH-Kennington v CX
151-166 - HB-Kennington v CX


Roger

In article , ()
wrote:

In article ,
(simon) wrote:


Euston to Camden (Charing Cross Branch) was very quiet a 08:50. My
carriage
had probably 6 passengers in total.

TFL site says
################################################## ###########
When the Northern line service resumes to all stations, it is planned
to
operate two separate branches over the whole line until further
notice:

- Edgware to Morden via Bank ONLY; and,
- High Barnet and Mill Hill East to Morden via Charing Cross ONLY.
################################################## ###########

Is this because the points are still damaged, or because they don't
know why
the train derailed ?



Not too sure, although it wouldn't take long to repair/replace the
points. The new timetable (85/03) will be in for some time - rumours
are until March. Starting on Sunday, the timetable gives a
self-contained service as you say, except that the CX service will
terminate at Kennington:

The timetable is as follows:
Monday-Sunday
From start to close of traffic:
(the frequency and destination may vary slightly on the early start-up
trains)

Morden to Edgware v City - every 5 mins
Edgware to Morden v City - every 5 mins
Kennington NB to Barnet branch via CX - every 5 mins
Barnet branch SB to Kennington via CX - every 5 mins
to/from High Barnet 5, 5, 10, 5, 5, 10mins
to/from Mill Hill East - every 15 mins

The departure times past the hour are exactly the same throughout the
day, seven days a week, except that Sunday starts later and finishes
earlier (i.e. normal Sunday times). First and last train times remain
the same.

The M-F and Sat timetable is exactly the same, with no timetabled M-F
peak service.

The maximum number of timetabled trains in service on any day is 50.
This is effectively from 06:33-00:04 M-F and 08:22-22:43 Sun.

Additional untimetabled trains will be put into service in the M-F peak
hours, thus giving a greater frequency.

Trains will be numbered:
1-36 - Edgware-Morden via Bank
101-106 - MH-Kennington v CX
151-166 - HB-Kennington v CX


Roger

The new timetable is now coming into operation from tomorrow (Fri).

There have now been some additional trains added to the duties (not shown
in the timetable) which gives some through running from High Barnet -
Morden via CX. These trains are numbered in the 120s.

It's all rather chaotic at the moment from the crews' point of view as
things keep changing on a daily basis. The new duties mean that many
drivers are will be booking on at different times from tomorrow, with many
of them not realising it. Also, those that are returning from holiday need
to be told as well. A lot of behind the scenes work has gone into getting
the special duties and timetables ready at such short notice. Things
should all be settled down by the beginning of next week.

For passengers travelling to the different branches, it will mean changing
trains at Euston or Camden Town. However, as I can't see many people
wanting to change platforms at Euston, Camden Town will get very busy,
with people coming from all directions going to all directions. Avoid it
if at all possible! The line has effectively been segregated as has often
been rumoured might happen in the past. Let's hope it doesn't stay like
it.

Regarding the reason for this, as queried in the earlier post:

"20A points have been secured in the normal position to allow this service
to operate.
These points have been taken out of commission as cross-overs and will be
used as fixed rail only.
This will continue to be the case until the root cause of the original
accident is known."

Roger

In article , ()
wrote:

In article ,
() wrote:

In article ,
(simon) wrote:


Euston to Camden (Charing Cross Branch) was very quiet a 08:50. My
carriage
had probably 6 passengers in total.

TFL site says
################################################## ###########
When the Northern line service resumes to all stations, it is
planned to
operate two separate branches over the whole line until further
notice:

- Edgware to Morden via Bank ONLY; and,
- High Barnet and Mill Hill East to Morden via Charing Cross ONLY.
################################################## ###########

Is this because the points are still damaged, or because they don't
know why
the train derailed ?



Not too sure, although it wouldn't take long to repair/replace the
points. The new timetable (85/03) will be in for some time - rumours
are until March. Starting on Sunday, the timetable gives a
self-contained service as you say, except that the CX service will
terminate at Kennington:

The timetable is as follows:
Monday-Sunday
From start to close of traffic:
(the frequency and destination may vary slightly on the early
start-up trains)

Morden to Edgware v City - every 5 mins
Edgware to Morden v City - every 5 mins
Kennington NB to Barnet branch via CX - every 5 mins
Barnet branch SB to Kennington via CX - every 5 mins
to/from High Barnet 5, 5, 10, 5, 5, 10mins
to/from Mill Hill East - every 15 mins

The departure times past the hour are exactly the same throughout the
day, seven days a week, except that Sunday starts later and finishes
earlier (i.e. normal Sunday times). First and last train times remain
the same.

The M-F and Sat timetable is exactly the same, with no timetabled M-F
peak service.

The maximum number of timetabled trains in service on any day is 50.
This is effectively from 06:33-00:04 M-F and 08:22-22:43 Sun.

Additional untimetabled trains will be put into service in the M-F
peak hours, thus giving a greater frequency. Trains will be
numbered:
1-36 - Edgware-Morden via Bank
101-106 - MH-Kennington v CX
151-166 - HB-Kennington v CX


Roger

The new timetable is now coming into operation from tomorrow (Fri).

There have now been some additional trains added to the duties (not
shown in the timetable) which gives some through running from High
Barnet - Morden via CX. These trains are numbered in the 120s.

It's all rather chaotic at the moment from the crews' point of view as
things keep changing on a daily basis. The new duties mean that many
drivers are will be booking on at different times from tomorrow, with
many of them not realising it. Also, those that are returning from
holiday need to be told as well. A lot of behind the scenes work has
gone into getting the special duties and timetables ready at such short
notice. Things should all be settled down by the beginning of next
week.

For passengers travelling to the different branches, it will mean
changing trains at Euston or Camden Town. However, as I can't see many
people wanting to change platforms at Euston, Camden Town will get very
busy, with people coming from all directions going to all directions.
Avoid it if at all possible! The line has effectively been segregated
as has often been rumoured might happen in the past. Let's hope it
doesn't stay like it.

Regarding the reason for this, as queried in the earlier post:

"20A points have been secured in the normal position to allow this
service to operate.
These points have been taken out of commission as cross-overs and will
be used as fixed rail only.
This will continue to be the case until the root cause of the original
accident is known."

Roger

As mentioned, timetable 85/03 came into use today, today with M-F Special
Service, TTN88/03, V5-1. This is a supplement to TTN85/03 and only
contains the times for the additional trains.

There are additional trains AM and PM peaks, in the range:
40-46 (start / finish Highgate depot)
70-73 (start / finish G Green)
120-140 (start / finish Morden)
there are minor stabling changes in the evening peak stabling to allow for
stock transfer between the depots.

This gives an extra 28 trains in the AM peak (total 78 trains) and 26
trains in the PM peak (total 76 trains).

TTN89/03 should be available next week. This is the combination, in one
document, of TTN85/03 and TTN88/03


Roger