These are being floated as options 5 and 6 by the London Borough
of Hounslow, whose previous options 3 and 4 were presumably rejected.

They relate to the tunnelled route SW of Paddington.

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Summary:
Proposed new tunnel alignment.

Proposed new Crossrail station at the Vale, Acton.

Proposed new station at Chiswick Business Park, with District, Picc, NLL and
Crossrail services in three directions (Paddington/East London, Richmond/Kingston,
Brentford/Hounslow) However, a Picc/District/NLL station here was ruled out here a
couple of years ago because LU refused to consider stopping Picc trains there.

Proposed new Crossrail station behind Chiswick Village.

Proposed retention of District Line at Gunnersbury, Kew and Richmond.

Proposed closure of Chiswick Park and South Acton due to proximity with new
Chiswick Business Park station.

No need to dig up Chiswick Back Common.


Robin

Robin Cox wrote:

These are being floated as options 5 and 6 by the London Borough
of Hounslow, whose previous options 3 and 4 were presumably rejected.

They relate to the tunnelled route SW of Paddington.
Summary:
Proposed new tunnel alignment.
Proposed new Crossrail station at the Vale, Acton.
Proposed new station at Chiswick Business Park, with District, Picc, NLL and
Crossrail services in three directions (Paddington/East London, Richmond/Kingston,
Brentford/Hounslow) However, a Picc/District/NLL station here was ruled out here a
couple of years ago because LU refused to consider stopping Picc trains there.
Proposed new Crossrail station behind Chiswick Village.
Proposed retention of District Line at Gunnersbury, Kew and Richmond.
Proposed closure of Chiswick Park and South Acton due to proximity with new
Chiswick Business Park station.
No need to dig up Chiswick Back Common.

The depressing thing about all of this is the blinkered attitude to
routes, which only attempts to serve traffic to/from central London. If
the base option is built, passengers from Richmond to Heathrow, for
example, would have to change at Paddington. At least now they only have
to go as far as Hammersmith!

West London roads from the North Circular to the M25 are at saturation
for orbital journeys. Acton and Chiswick interchanges on Crossrail would
begin to address this, at a cost of perhaps a couple of minutes on the
radial journey times (which will be a lot quicker than now).

How about 6 Crossrail an hour to Acton (Old Oak), Chiswick Park,
Brentford, Southall, and stations to Slough? That would make lots of new
connections without overburdening the busiest part of the GWML.

Colin McKenzie

Colin McKenzie wrote:
Robin Cox wrote:

These are being floated as options 5 and 6 by the London Borough
of Hounslow, whose previous options 3 and 4 were presumably rejected.

They relate to the tunnelled route SW of Paddington.
Summary:
Proposed new tunnel alignment.
Proposed new Crossrail station at the Vale, Acton.
Proposed new station at Chiswick Business Park, with District, Picc,
NLL and Crossrail services in three directions (Paddington/East
London, Richmond/Kingston, Brentford/Hounslow)
snip

The depressing thing about all of this is the blinkered attitude to
routes, which only attempts to serve traffic to/from central London.
If the base option is built, passengers from Richmond to Heathrow,
for example, would have to change at Paddington. At least now they
only have to go as far as Hammersmith!

This is typical of the ignorant and illogical comments coming out of
Richmond at present. If the base option is built, passengers from Richmond
would get to Paddington faster than they currently get to Hammersmith, and
their journey from Paddington to Heathrow would also be quicker than the
Piccadilly line. So what's the problem? With a bit of luck, the
Piccadilly will stop at Turnham Green and you could change to the Piccadily
there if you really wanted the slow route to Heathrow.
--
Richard J.
(to e-mail me, swap uk and yon in address)

"Richard J." wrote the following in:


This is typical of the ignorant and illogical comments coming out
of Richmond at present. If the base option is built, passengers
from Richmond would get to Paddington faster than they currently
get to Hammersmith, and their journey from Paddington to Heathrow
would also be quicker than the Piccadilly line.

But the Heathrow Express costs a bomb. Would it still be so expensive
after Crossrail?

--
message by Robin May, but you can call me Mr Smith.
Hello. I'm one of those "roaring fascists of the left wing".

Police Advice: do not approach Cheryl Tweedy as she may be dangerous.

Robin May wrote:
"Richard J." wrote the following in:


This is typical of the ignorant and illogical comments coming out
of Richmond at present. If the base option is built, passengers
from Richmond would get to Paddington faster than they currently
get to Hammersmith, and their journey from Paddington to Heathrow
would also be quicker than the Piccadilly line.

But the Heathrow Express costs a bomb. Would it still be so expensive
after Crossrail?

I sincerely hope not, but Crossrail aren't saying anything about fares at
the moment. Maybe it depends on the terms under which BAA permit Crossrail
to run trains down their line.
--
Richard J.
(to e-mail me, swap uk and yon in address)

"Robin May" wrote in message
...

But the Heathrow Express costs a bomb.
Would it still be so expensive after Crossrail?

Livingstone says that Crossrail to Heathrow will be included in the
Travelcard scheme. But he might not be the one deciding...

--
John Rowland - Spamtrapped
Transport Plans for the London Area, updated 2001
http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Acro...69/tpftla.html
A man's vehicle is a symbol of his manhood.
That's why my vehicle's the Piccadilly Line -
It's the size of a county and it comes every two and a half minutes

Robin May wrote:
"Richard J." wrote the following in:

This is typical of the ignorant and illogical comments coming out
of Richmond at present. If the base option is built, passengers
from Richmond would get to Paddington faster than they currently
get to Hammersmith, and their journey from Paddington to Heathrow
would also be quicker than the Piccadilly line.

But the Heathrow Express costs a bomb. Would it still be so expensive
after Crossrail?

Exactly. And at best you'd be paying for two extra zones.

More to the point, why clog up overloaded radial lines with orbital
passengers?

One reason why zone 1 is so busy is the number of journeys that are
currently fastest via zone 1 because there is no usable more direct
route.

For example, several of my co-workers near Ealing Broadway seem to live
in the Swiss Cottage area. Unless they use a cycle to replace
non-existent interchanges, their fastest route is via zone 1.

Colin McKenzie

On Sat, 1 Nov 2003 00:33:59 -0000, "John Rowland"
wrote:

"Robin May" wrote in message
...

But the Heathrow Express costs a bomb.
Would it still be so expensive after Crossrail?

Livingstone says that Crossrail to Heathrow will be included in the
Travelcard scheme. But he might not be the one deciding...

But didn't he say that if was the only way to fund Crossrail, a
supplement (a la DLR Lewisham) would be allowed?


Rob.
--
rob at robertwoolley dot co dot uk

In article ,
John Rowland wrote:
"Robin May" wrote in message
...

But the Heathrow Express costs a bomb.
Would it still be so expensive after Crossrail?

Livingstone says that Crossrail to Heathrow will be included in the
Travelcard scheme. But he might not be the one deciding...

It is still not clear to me if Crossrail will replace HEX, and whether
there will still be a premium fare non-stop Paddington-Heathrow service.
Also it will be very interesting to see the fare structure for the new
Paddington-Heathrow (joint Thaems Trains/HEX ?) stopping service when it
commences next year.

David

On Sat, 01 Nov 2003 11:00:16 +0000, Colin McKenzie wrote:
For example, several of my co-workers near Ealing Broadway seem to live
in the Swiss Cottage area. Unless they use a cycle to replace
non-existent interchanges, their fastest route is via zone 1.

Yup, If I go to work avoiding zone 1, it takes 2 hours and 3 bus trips
(spit). Otherwise it's a 50 minute run via oxford circus (one of the
busiest stations)

An outer circle line on the zone 2/3 border would cut down a lot of
congestion