In message , John Rowland
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http://www.johnchaple.co.uk/romanroad.htm

It is a little hard to see why the Romans - who did indeed usually, but
not invariably, build roads in straight lines - would have aligned their
principal road in England to miss their main river crossing (at London
Bridge) and totally avoid their principal city in England, merely in
order to traverse swampy marshland and cross the river at an almost
unknown location at Thorney island.

However, it has been suggested before (so "you read it first hear" seems
a bit implausible). Basing research on early 18th-century sources such
as Stukeley (long before any reliable historic method was established)
and tiny shifts in ground movement seems to me to be very hopeful - on
London clay you can expect such ground sinkage in less than a century,
let alone in almost two millenia.

--
Paul Terry

However, it has been suggested before (so "you read it first hear" seems
a bit implausible).

Very interesting, and you may have stumbled across some interesting evidence
of the past. However I'm afraid I have to agree about reading it here first.

A TV programme- probably Time Team, although if not something like it- dug
up part of the grounds of Lambeth Palace to try to find the ford over the
Thames which was the means by which Watling Street crossed to what's now
Westminster.

But anyway, if ths is real evidence of the route in urban parts of London
it's an endevour to be applauded.

However, it has been suggested before (so "you read it first hear" seems
a bit implausible).

Very interesting, and you may have stumbled across some interesting
evidence
of the past. However I'm afraid I have to agree about reading it here
first.

A TV programme- probably Time Team, although if not something like it- dug
up part of the grounds of Lambeth Palace to try to find the ford over the
Thames which was the means by which Watling Street crossed to what's now
Westminster.

But anyway, if ths is real evidence of the route in urban parts of London
it's an endevour to be applauded.

Indeed. And with people suggesting "why would they build their main route
away from the city of London" - well perhaps it was the first bypass!!!

Peter

"AstraVanMan" wrote in message
...
However, it has been suggested before (so "you read it first hear"
seems
a bit implausible).

Very interesting, and you may have stumbled across some interesting
evidence
of the past. However I'm afraid I have to agree about reading it here
first.

A TV programme- probably Time Team, although if not something like it-
dug
up part of the grounds of Lambeth Palace to try to find the ford over
the
Thames which was the means by which Watling Street crossed to what's now
Westminster.

But anyway, if ths is real evidence of the route in urban parts of
London
it's an endevour to be applauded.

Indeed. And with people suggesting "why would they build their main route
away from the city of London" - well perhaps it was the first bypass!!!

South-east Kent would still have been the easiest place for the Romans to
access the UK, and so a bypass round London to reach the main artery to the
milands and the north-west (Watling St A5) would seem to make sense. Also
it's a bit of a coincidence that *both* the A2 and A5 are called Watling
Street - the logical explanation is that they are the same road.

Angus

In message , Angus Bryant
writes

South-east Kent would still have been the easiest place for the Romans to
access the UK, and so a bypass round London to reach the main artery to the
milands and the north-west (Watling St A5) would seem to make sense.

Except that the only bridge was London Bridge. Crossing at Westminster
meant either getting very wet or loading everything onto a ferry.

Having said that, I think there is some evidence that the Westminster
route would have been used before the building of London Bridge, but the
latter is believed to have been built within 7 years of the Romans'
arrival, so it wouldn't have had a lot of use.

Also it's a bit of a coincidence that *both* the A2 and A5 are called
Watling Street - the logical explanation is that they are the same road.

Neither was named Watling Street until more than 800 years after either
had been built - it is an Anglo-Saxon name.

Almost the only contemporary source of information on Roman roads in
Britain is Antonine's Itinery, written some time after the network had
been finished. Most of the route from Wroxeter to Dover is described as
Iter II, suggesting that by then both parts of what is now Watling
Street were considered to be part of a continuous route (via what is now
the city of London).

However, I don't think it was built as such. When the Romans arrived
they headed first for London. Roads to other places doubtless followed
after various local tribes were subdued.

--
Paul Terry

"Paul Terry" wrote in message
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Except that the only bridge was London Bridge.

I thought the first bridge in London was at Vauxhall?

When the Romans arrived they headed first for London.

I doubt that, since they founded London.

--
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Transport Plans for the London Area, updated 2001
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That's why my vehicle's the Piccadilly Line -
It's the size of a county and it comes every two and a half minutes

In message , John Rowland
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"Paul Terry" wrote in message
...

Except that the only bridge was London Bridge.

I thought the first bridge in London was at Vauxhall?

You've been watching the Time Team
As I recall, the remains they found were more likely to have been a quay
or platform rather than an actual Thames crossing.

When the Romans arrived they headed first for London.

I doubt that, since they founded London.

They headed for what is now London because that was the first viable
crossing point of the Thames. Whether it was actually at Brentford,
Westminster (or even Vauxhall) nobody knows.

For anyone interested, there are some hypothesised aerial views of
London in Roman times at the Museum of London website:

http://tinyurl.com/tbiu

If accurate, they give a good idea of how difficult it would have been
to cross the marshy terrain immediately south of the river.
--
Paul Terry

In article , Paul Terry
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When the Romans arrived they headed first for London.

Actually, they headed first for Brentwood, where they fought and
defeated the locals.

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In article , Clive D. W. Feather
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In article , Paul Terry |||news_04
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When the Romans arrived they headed first for London.

Actually, they headed first for Brentwood,

Who wouldn't? ;-)
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London & the Heart of England
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"Tony Wilson" wrote in message ...
A TV programme- probably Time Team, although if not something like it- dug
up part of the grounds of Lambeth Palace to try to find the ford over the
Thames which was the means by which Watling Street crossed to what's now
Westminster.

Time Team also excavated a part of Greenwich Park, and found traces of
Watling Street along its proposed "straight" alignment there. The
programme's repeated fairly frequently on the Discovery Channel and is
worth looking out for.