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From eWatford Observer 11:30am Thursday 1st October 2009
Five new London Midland trains to carry 1,600 extra passengers from Watford and Bushey to London Euston from December By Michael Pickard » Five new “shuttle services” will serve train passengers in Watford and Bushey, when a new timetable is launched in December. London Midland today announced there will be an extra 1,600 seats on peak commuter services when the new trains begin to run into and out of London. They will also operate from Harrow and Wealdstone, while two more shuttles will stop at Tring and Milton Keynes. The extra seats follow a successful bid by London Midland to the Department for Transport, as part of the government's High Level Output Specification (HLOS). Other improvements will include extra ticket gates at London Euston and extra staff. London Midland Managing Director, Mike Hodson said: “These extra seats are great news for London Midland passengers travelling to and from Euston. “In addition to our £190m investment in new trains, this successful bid means we can provide more peak services when they’re really needed.” ……………………………. ……………………………. John Burke WRUG |
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On 1 Oct, 13:01, burkey wrote:
From eWatford Observer 11:30am Thursday 1st October 2009 Five new London Midland trains to carry 1,600 extra passengers from Watford and Bushey to London Euston from December By Michael Pickard » Five new “shuttle services” will serve train passengers in Watford and Bushey, when a new timetable is launched in December. London Midland today announced there will be an extra 1,600 seats on peak commuter services when the new trains begin to run into and out of London. They will also operate from Harrow and Wealdstone, while two more shuttles will stop at Tring and Milton Keynes. The extra seats follow a successful bid by London Midland to the Department for Transport, as part of the government's High Level Output Specification (HLOS). Other improvements will include extra ticket gates at London Euston and extra staff. London Midland Managing Director, Mike Hodson said: “These extra seats are great news for London Midland passengers travelling to and from Euston. “In addition to our £190m investment in new trains, this successful bid means we can provide more peak services when they’re really needed.” ……………………………. ……………………………. John Burke WRUG Someone should write a book on 101 meanings for the word "train" in press releases. Some frequent/recent uses are train (believe it or not) locomotive carriage (to bump up the apparent size of orders) scheduled service scheduled diagram entire service on a route Unlike with respect to the debates around "fewer" and "railway station", I really have no idea what is meant by "train" in most press stories. |
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On 1 Oct, 13:01, burkey wrote:
From eWatford Observer 11:30am Thursday 1st October 2009 Five new London Midland trains to carry 1,600 extra passengers from Watford and Bushey to London Euston from December By Michael Pickard » Five new “shuttle services” will serve train passengers in Watford and Bushey, when a new timetable is launched in December. London Midland today announced there will be an extra 1,600 seats on peak commuter services when the new trains begin to run into and out of London. They will also operate from Harrow and Wealdstone, while two more shuttles will stop at Tring and Milton Keynes. The extra seats follow a successful bid by London Midland to the Department for Transport, as part of the government's High Level Output Specification (HLOS). Other improvements will include extra ticket gates at London Euston and extra staff. London Midland Managing Director, Mike Hodson said: “These extra seats are great news for London Midland passengers travelling to and from Euston. “In addition to our £190m investment in new trains, this successful bid means we can provide more peak services when they’re really needed.” ……………………………. ……………………………. John Burke WRUG Extra ticket gates at Euston? Is this a new installation of gates for platforms 16 - 18 or more gates for 8 - 11. If the latter, there is only limited space to install them given the narrow opening to these platforms. Might we see separate barrier lines for the pairs 8 and 9 and 10 and 11 with the gates installed further down the platforms? |
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![]() "Jonathan Harris" wrote in message ... On 1 Oct, 13:01, burkey wrote: From eWatford Observer 11:30am Thursday 1st October 2009 Five new London Midland trains to carry 1,600 extra passengers from Watford and Bushey to London Euston from December By Michael Pickard » Five new “shuttle services” will serve train passengers in Watford and Bushey, when a new timetable is launched in December. London Midland today announced there will be an extra 1,600 seats on peak commuter services when the new trains begin to run into and out of London. They will also operate from Harrow and Wealdstone, while two more shuttles will stop at Tring and Milton Keynes. The extra seats follow a successful bid by London Midland to the Department for Transport, as part of the government's High Level Output Specification (HLOS). Other improvements will include extra ticket gates at London Euston and extra staff. London Midland Managing Director, Mike Hodson said: “These extra seats are great news for London Midland passengers travelling to and from Euston. “In addition to our £190m investment in new trains, this successful bid means we can provide more peak services when they’re really needed.” ……………………………. ……………………………. John Burke WRUG Extra ticket gates at Euston? Is this a new installation of gates for platforms 16 - 18 or more gates for 8 - 11. If the latter, there is only limited space to install them given the narrow opening to these platforms. Might we see separate barrier lines for the pairs 8 and 9 and 10 and 11 with the gates installed further down the platforms? I was wondering that. Gates on platforms 16-18 hardly constitutes "extra" gates and quite how they will get extra gates on 8-11 eludes me. What about sorting out the diabolical tube access at Euston. A single escalator down ( because the suburban entrance is closed in the rush hour) at a main line terminal is a joke. Kevin |
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On Oct 1, 9:32*pm, "Zen83237" wrote:
"Jonathan Harris" wrote in message ... On 1 Oct, 13:01, burkey wrote: From eWatford Observer 11:30am Thursday 1st October 2009 Five new London Midland trains to carry 1,600 extra passengers from Watford and Bushey to London Euston from December By Michael Pickard » Five new “shuttle services” will serve train passengers in Watford and Bushey, when a new timetable is launched in December. London Midland today announced there will be an extra 1,600 seats on peak commuter services when the new trains begin to run into and out of London. They will also operate from Harrow and Wealdstone, while two more shuttles will stop at Tring and Milton Keynes. The extra seats follow a successful bid by London Midland to the Department for Transport, as part of the government's High Level Output Specification (HLOS). Other improvements will include extra ticket gates at London Euston and extra staff. London Midland Managing Director, Mike Hodson said: “These extra seats are great news for London Midland passengers travelling to and from Euston. “In addition to our £190m investment in new trains, this successful bid means we can provide more peak services when they’re really needed.” ……………………………. ……………………………. John Burke WRUG Extra ticket gates at Euston? Is this a new installation of gates for platforms 16 - 18 or more gates for 8 - 11. *If the latter, there is only limited space to install them given the narrow opening to these platforms. *Might we see separate barrier lines for the pairs 8 and 9 and 10 and 11 with the gates installed further down the platforms? I was wondering that. Gates on platforms 16-18 hardly constitutes "extra" gates and quite how they will get extra gates on 8-11 eludes me. What about sorting out the diabolical tube access at Euston. A single escalator down ( because the suburban entrance is closed in the rush hour) at a main line terminal is a joke. Maybe they will be removing the large 'office' by the wide manual gate, which seems normally to have several members of staff in it, only one of whom seems to be there to talk to any passengers with problems. This would leave room for a couple more gates at least. The closure of the suburban entrance to the Underground station is a short term measure to stop the spiral stairs down to the southbound Victoria and Northern line City branch getting too busy whilst the escalator is out of use; this is clearly signposted near the closed gates. Don't forget that there is also a set of stairs available from the main concourse, next to the escalator. |
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![]() "Andy" wrote in message ... On Oct 1, 9:32 pm, "Zen83237" wrote: "Jonathan Harris" wrote in message ... On 1 Oct, 13:01, burkey wrote: From eWatford Observer 11:30am Thursday 1st October 2009 Five new London Midland trains to carry 1,600 extra passengers from Watford and Bushey to London Euston from December By Michael Pickard » Five new “shuttle services” will serve train passengers in Watford and Bushey, when a new timetable is launched in December. London Midland today announced there will be an extra 1,600 seats on peak commuter services when the new trains begin to run into and out of London. They will also operate from Harrow and Wealdstone, while two more shuttles will stop at Tring and Milton Keynes. The extra seats follow a successful bid by London Midland to the Department for Transport, as part of the government's High Level Output Specification (HLOS). Other improvements will include extra ticket gates at London Euston and extra staff. London Midland Managing Director, Mike Hodson said: “These extra seats are great news for London Midland passengers travelling to and from Euston. “In addition to our £190m investment in new trains, this successful bid means we can provide more peak services when they’re really needed.” ……………………………. ……………………………. John Burke WRUG Extra ticket gates at Euston? Is this a new installation of gates for platforms 16 - 18 or more gates for 8 - 11. If the latter, there is only limited space to install them given the narrow opening to these platforms. Might we see separate barrier lines for the pairs 8 and 9 and 10 and 11 with the gates installed further down the platforms? I was wondering that. Gates on platforms 16-18 hardly constitutes "extra" gates and quite how they will get extra gates on 8-11 eludes me. What about sorting out the diabolical tube access at Euston. A single escalator down ( because the suburban entrance is closed in the rush hour) at a main line terminal is a joke. Maybe they will be removing the large 'office' by the wide manual gate, which seems normally to have several members of staff in it, only one of whom seems to be there to talk to any passengers with problems. This would leave room for a couple more gates at least. The closure of the suburban entrance to the Underground station is a short term measure to stop the spiral stairs down to the southbound Victoria and Northern line City branch getting too busy whilst the escalator is out of use; this is clearly signposted near the closed gates. Don't forget that there is also a set of stairs available from the main concourse, next to the escalator. The closure of the suburban entrance has been going on for some time, long before the closure of the Vicoria line escalator. I don't see why putting extra gates in helps anyway when everbody is the funnelled up the ramp onto the concourse. Given that a lot of people are actually not going to the tube I was wondering if there is any way people could exit via the service tunnel. I assume not. Kevin |
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![]() The closure of the suburban entrance has been going on for some time, long before the closure of the Vicoria line escalator. I don't see why putting extra gates in helps anyway when everbody is the funnelled up the ramp onto the concourse. Given that a lot of people are actually not going to the tube I was wondering if there is any way people could exit via the service tunnel. I assume not. Actually the current closure of the suburban entrance has only been since the escalator failure. The entrance was closed for a period before, when the escalators from the Underground ticket hall to the National Rail concourse were being overhauled and this happened both morning and evening; there was a one-way system with the surburban route used for exit from the Underground and the concourse escalator used for entrance. The entrance then reopened until the Victoria line escalator failed earlier this year. If the slope can cope with the suburban passengers as well as everyone from the Underground, I don't think it is the bottleneck you seem to think it is. I suggest you look at where the crowds actually are; there are insufficient gates with people 10 deep if even one train has arrived. The gates are supposed to be kept open during the morning peak such is the number of people trying to get through. Once people get through the gates, there is not much congestion up the slope and only then if someone stops moving. |
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burkey wrote:
From eWatford Observer 11:30am Thursday 1st October 2009 Five new London Midland trains to carry 1,600 extra passengers from Watford and Bushey to London Euston from December By Michael Pickard » Five new “shuttle services” will serve train passengers in Watford and Bushey, when a new timetable is launched in December. London Midland today announced there will be an extra 1,600 seats on peak commuter services when the new trains begin to run into and out of London. These 'new train' numbers don't seem to add up, the LM track access application only seems to mention one additional Watford Junction 'shuttle' each way, and an extra Bletchley - Euston: I think what they should have said is three services have been added and some others altered. When this first came up (Neil Williams mentioned it way back IIRC) it was anticipated to be a relatively large number (was it 7?) of pure Watford - Euston shuttles. "SX Southbound New services: 0633 Bletchley – Euston, 0815 Watford Junction - Euston Alterations to existing services: 0803 Watford Junction – Euston retimed to depart 0754; 0832 Bletchley – Euston starts Tring 0848, other times unaltered SX Northbound New services: 1728 Euston – Watford Junction, 1820 Euston – Milton Keynes Alterations to existing services: 1804 Euston – Milton Keynes extended to Northampton http://tinyurl.com/ybcjj4u Paul S |
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On Oct 1, 7:55*pm, "Paul Scott"
wrote: burkey wrote: From eWatford Observer 11:30am Thursday 1st October 2009 Five new London Midland trains to carry 1,600 extra passengers from Watford and Bushey to London Euston from December By Michael Pickard » Five new “shuttle services” will serve train passengers in Watford and Bushey, when a new timetable is launched in December. London Midland today announced there will be an extra 1,600 seats on peak commuter services when the new trains begin to run into and out of London. These 'new train' numbers don't seem to add up, the LM track access application only seems to mention one additional Watford Junction 'shuttle' each way, and an extra Bletchley - Euston: *I think what they should have said is three services have been added and some others altered. When this first came up (Neil Williams mentioned it way back IIRC) it was anticipated to be a relatively large number (was it 7?) of pure Watford - Euston shuttles. "SX Southbound New services: 0633 Bletchley – Euston, 0815 Watford Junction - Euston Alterations to existing services: 0803 Watford Junction – Euston retimed to depart 0754; 0832 Bletchley – Euston starts Tring 0848, other times unaltered SX Northbound New services: 1728 Euston – Watford Junction, 1820 Euston – Milton Keynes Alterations to existing services: 1804 Euston – Milton Keynes extended to Northampton The train alterations are certainly more complex than the story implies, there also many changes in the calling patterns of services, for example southbound from Harrow & Wealdstone between ~08.00 and 10.00, there is an extra 'fast' service and a slightly better spread of services between 08.30 and 09.30: Current Service, Harrow Departures: 07.57 08.11 08.15 08.31 08.41 - 09.11 09.24 09.54 14 Dec 2009, Harrow Departures: 08:04 08:17 08:23 08:28 08:33 08:54 09:12 09:28 09:54 In the evening, the extra 17.28 to Watford doesn't appear in the journey planner and the Harrow stop in the 17.04 is moved to 17.14 with no 17.24 service. I'm not quite certain why more Watford - Euston services are not down to run, as there seems to be enough empty gaps, on the slow lines, between trains at the moment. |
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