On Oct 12, 7:58*pm, MIG wrote:
On 12 Oct, 13:21, "Hobo Humpin' Slobo Babe"
wrote:





On Oct 12, 9:54*am, "Ian F." wrote:

"Why Hate Ryanair?"

http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b00n9mdm

http://www.examiner.ie/sport/ryanair...tchet-job-1030....

http://www.ryanair.com/site/EN/news....&story=gen-en-...

Ian

--

sounds like the BBC have run out of ideas.....

Why hate the BBC ?

For their sycophantic treatment of Ryanair and O'Leary on Watchdog?

....there was nothing new or interesting in the programme, Michael
O'Leary is a good business man, Willie Walsh is ****e...

it would have been a better programme to say why BA is failing

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13:07:28 on Mon, 12 Oct 2009, Hobo Humpin' Slobo Babe
remarked:

...there was nothing new or interesting in the programme

It lost credibility for me when they appeared to claim that Electron
cards were not available in the UK. Later they interviewed a lad who had
made several £5 all-inclusive trips, paying by Electron!
--
Roland Perry

On 12 Oct, 23:05, Roland Perry wrote:
In message
, at
13:07:28 on Mon, 12 Oct 2009, Hobo Humpin' Slobo Babe
remarked:

...there was nothing new or interesting in the programme

It lost credibility for me when they appeared to claim that Electron
cards were not available in the UK. Later they interviewed a lad who had
made several £5 all-inclusive trips, paying by Electron!
--
Roland Perry

I think they said that UK banks don't issue them (whatever they are).

Nevertheless, a very soft-hitting documentary. The only thing that
really came through at all was the extent to which they see
vulnerability in others as of benefit to them, eg small airports,
aircraft manufacturers and ... inevitably, cash-strapped families.

MIG wrote:
On 12 Oct, 23:05, Roland Perry wrote:
In message
, at
13:07:28 on Mon, 12 Oct 2009, Hobo Humpin' Slobo Babe
remarked:

...there was nothing new or interesting in the programme
It lost credibility for me when they appeared to claim that Electron
cards were not available in the UK. Later they interviewed a lad who had
made several £5 all-inclusive trips, paying by Electron!
--
Roland Perry

I think they said that UK banks don't issue them (whatever they are).

Electron is basically Visa's equivalent of Solo, requiring fully online
processing and funds to be available in your account to back the
transaction.

Most of the UK banks are now issuing Visa Debit cards with no cheque
guarantee instead of Electron, however. (And, as an aside, the banks
that created Switch are now switching to issuing Visa Debit cards).

Cheers,

Barry

"MIG" wrote in message
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On 12 Oct, 23:05, Roland Perry wrote:
In message
, at
13:07:28 on Mon, 12 Oct 2009, Hobo Humpin' Slobo Babe
remarked:

...there was nothing new or interesting in the programme

It lost credibility for me when they appeared to claim that Electron
cards were not available in the UK. Later they interviewed a lad who had
made several £5 all-inclusive trips, paying by Electron!
--
Roland Perry

= I think they said that UK banks don't issue them (whatever they are).

And they are wrong

http://www.halifax.co.uk/bankaccounts/easycash.asp

Keith

In message
, at
15:55:42 on Mon, 12 Oct 2009, MIG
remarked:
...there was nothing new or interesting in the programme

It lost credibility for me when they appeared to claim that Electron
cards were not available in the UK. Later they interviewed a lad who had
made several £5 all-inclusive trips, paying by Electron!

I think they said that UK banks don't issue them (whatever they are).

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Visa_Electron m'lud

Nevertheless, a very soft-hitting documentary. The only thing that
really came through at all was the extent to which they see
vulnerability in others as of benefit to them, eg small airports,
aircraft manufacturers and .

It said they drove a hard bargain with their suppliers. Customers
fretting about this is what's know in the trade as "looking in other
people's pockets". Large numbers of businesses are just as hard-nosed,
and in some respects even worse. I bet Ryanair don't also expect Boeing
to give them an extra discount if all the seats on the plane aren't
filled, but I know of businesses who have models that would be analogous
to that!

Interestingly, they didn't allege that Ryanair is slow to pay its bills
(another common characteristic of hard-nosed business). Perhaps that,
and the ability to "sell and forget" is why Boeing (and others) are
happy to do business with them.

... inevitably, cash-strapped families

What are you referring to here? The only "vulnerability" that came up
was the charge for re-printing boarding cards. I agree it's a bit high,
but along with all their other charges, aren't the slightest bit
"hidden". Unlike, for example, the delivery charge I got lumbered with
from Currys last week, which amounted to paying £15 to have them
discharge their WEEE responsibilities (taking away the old TV).
--
Roland Perry

On Tue, 13 Oct 2009 08:38:00 +0100, Roland Perry wrote:
In message
, at
15:55:42 on Mon, 12 Oct 2009, MIG
remarked:
...there was nothing new or interesting in the programme

It lost credibility for me when they appeared to claim that Electron
cards were not available in the UK. Later they interviewed a lad who had
made several £5 all-inclusive trips, paying by Electron!

I think they said that UK banks don't issue them (whatever they are).

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Visa_Electron m'lud

Nevertheless, a very soft-hitting documentary. The only thing that
really came through at all was the extent to which they see
vulnerability in others as of benefit to them, eg small airports,
aircraft manufacturers and .

It said they drove a hard bargain with their suppliers. Customers
fretting about this is what's know in the trade as "looking in other
people's pockets". Large numbers of businesses are just as hard-nosed,
and in some respects even worse. I bet Ryanair don't also expect Boeing
to give them an extra discount if all the seats on the plane aren't
filled, but I know of businesses who have models that would be analogous
to that!

I loved the part when MoL required any interview was shown unedited
and when they refused, then went on to manipulate the BBC's guy into
giving him a long advertising opportunity.
IMHO far too many businesses weasel up to the media. It was refreshing
to have someone only deal with them on his own terms.


Interestingly, they didn't allege that Ryanair is slow to pay its bills
(another common characteristic of hard-nosed business). Perhaps that,
and the ability to "sell and forget" is why Boeing (and others) are
happy to do business with them.

... inevitably, cash-strapped families

What are you referring to here? The only "vulnerability" that came up
was the charge for re-printing boarding cards. I agree it's a bit high,
but along with all their other charges, aren't the slightest bit
"hidden". Unlike, for example, the delivery charge I got lumbered with
from Currys last week, which amounted to paying £15 to have them
discharge their WEEE responsibilities (taking away the old TV).

So far as (reprinting) your boarding pass surely any airport hotel has
some sort of cyber cafe that you could log in at and print them from?
Since you need that piece of paper to get through security, then provided
you have time, you could do it yourself for much less than £40 a head.

On 13 Oct, 10:00, pete wrote:
On Tue, 13 Oct 2009 08:38:00 +0100, Roland Perry wrote:
In message
, at
15:55:42 on Mon, 12 Oct 2009, MIG
remarked:
...there was nothing new or interesting in the programme

It lost credibility for me when they appeared to claim that Electron
cards were not available in the UK. Later they interviewed a lad who had
made several £5 all-inclusive trips, paying by Electron!

I think they said that UK banks don't issue them (whatever they are).

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Visa_Electron*m'lud

Nevertheless, a very soft-hitting documentary. *The only thing that
really came through at all was the extent to which they see
vulnerability in others as of benefit to them, eg small airports,
aircraft manufacturers and .

It said they drove a hard bargain with their suppliers. Customers
fretting about this is what's know in the trade as "looking in other
people's pockets". Large numbers of businesses are just as hard-nosed,
and in some respects even worse. I bet Ryanair don't also expect Boeing
to give them an extra discount if all the seats on the plane aren't
filled, but I know of businesses who have models that would be analogous
to that!

I loved the part when MoL required any interview was shown unedited
and when they refused, then went on to manipulate the BBC's guy into
giving him a long advertising opportunity.
IMHO far too many businesses weasel up to the media. It was refreshing
to have someone only deal with them on his own terms.

Eh? Don't you mean that the media weasel up to advertisers?

This was no exception. The usual free advertising that the BBC gives,
whatever they claim.

In message , at
09:00:13 on Tue, 13 Oct 2009, pete remarked:
I loved the part when MoL required any interview was shown unedited
and when they refused, then went on to manipulate the BBC's guy into
giving him a long advertising opportunity.

It was even better when he said he wouldn't be interviewed unless uncut,
and the BBC then proceeded to attempt to prove they wouldn't cut his
interview, by showing that part. Cut.
--
Roland Perry

On 13 Oct, 08:38, Roland Perry wrote:
In message
, at
15:55:42 on Mon, 12 Oct 2009, MIG
remarked:

...there was nothing new or interesting in the programme

It lost credibility for me when they appeared to claim that Electron
cards were not available in the UK. Later they interviewed a lad who had
made several £5 all-inclusive trips, paying by Electron!

I think they said that UK banks don't issue them (whatever they are).

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Visa_Electron*m'lud

Nevertheless, a very soft-hitting documentary. *The only thing that
really came through at all was the extent to which they see
vulnerability in others as of benefit to them, eg small airports,
aircraft manufacturers and .

It said they drove a hard bargain with their suppliers. Customers
fretting about this is what's know in the trade as "looking in other
people's pockets". Large numbers of businesses are just as hard-nosed,
and in some respects even worse. I bet Ryanair don't also expect Boeing
to give them an extra discount if all the seats on the plane aren't
filled, but I know of businesses who have models that would be analogous
to that!

Interestingly, they didn't allege that Ryanair is slow to pay its bills
(another common characteristic of hard-nosed business). Perhaps that,
and the ability to "sell and forget" is why Boeing (and others) are
happy to do business with them.

... inevitably, cash-strapped families

What are you referring to here? The only "vulnerability" that came up
was the charge for re-printing boarding cards. I agree it's a bit high,
but along with all their other charges, aren't the slightest bit
"hidden". Unlike, for example, the delivery charge I got lumbered with
from Currys last week, which amounted to paying £15 to have them
discharge their WEEE responsibilities (taking away the old TV).


But it's a bit like Oyster, isn't it. They make rules whose sole
purpose is to punish people for breaking the rules. Such people are
vulnerable to making a slight mistake which makes them fair game for
no end of penalties totally out of proportion (we object to this from
banks; what's the latest story on that?).

As for the documentary, there are far better examples that could have
been used, eg a disabled person hanging on a premium rate phone line
to book an essential wheelchair, people refused boarding because of a
bent passport on one flight but then accepted on the next at full
price ... but they pulled all the punches. No doubt those kind of
things are technically deniable, but given that they are why people
really hate Ryanair, there was no point in the documentary if they
weren't going to be included.

Can't see the point of it really. Looking at it along with the
pathetic Watchdog item, I wonder if the BBC is actively promoting
Ryanair on the "all publicity" principle.