wrote:

The Jubilee line is only running between Waterloo and North Greenwich is
it really worth having it open?

Yes. It provides a vital link across the Isle of Dogs, in turn connecting
East London to South London without the need to go through the centre.

On Thu, 29 Oct 2009 11:15:07 -0000
"Tim Roll-Pickering" wrote:
wrote:

The Jubilee line is only running between Waterloo and North Greenwich is
it really worth having it open?

Yes. It provides a vital link across the Isle of Dogs, in turn connecting
East London to South London without the need to go through the centre.

Not sure if its been mentioned already , but did anyone see that Inside Out
program the other day which compared the idiotic closures of lines for
maintenance against the regime in Paris where they were converting an
entire line to automatic operation without disrupting the service at all?
Everything was done at night. They compared the can-do attitude of the
people there with the standard issue whinging and moaning of the people
from Tubelines. Sometimes its embarrasing to be British.

B2003

wrote in message
On Thu, 29 Oct 2009 11:15:07 -0000
"Tim Roll-Pickering" wrote:
wrote:

The Jubilee line is only running between Waterloo and North
Greenwich is it really worth having it open?

Yes. It provides a vital link across the Isle of Dogs, in turn
connecting East London to South London without the need to go
through the centre.

Not sure if its been mentioned already , but did anyone see that
Inside Out program the other day which compared the idiotic closures
of lines for maintenance against the regime in Paris where they were
converting an entire line to automatic operation without disrupting
the service at all? Everything was done at night. They compared the
can-do attitude of the people there with the standard issue whinging
and moaning of the people from Tubelines. Sometimes its embarrasing
to be British.

Tune Lines -- the truly "British" company, wholly owned by Ferrovial and
Bechtel.

On Oct 29, 11:51*am, wrote:
On Thu, 29 Oct 2009 11:15:07 -0000

"Tim Roll-Pickering" wrote:
wrote:

The Jubilee line is only running between Waterloo and North Greenwich is
it really worth having it open?

Yes. It provides a vital link across the Isle of Dogs, in turn connecting
East London to South London without the need to go through the centre.

Not sure if its been mentioned already , but did anyone see that Inside Out
program the other day which compared the idiotic closures of lines for
maintenance against the regime in Paris where they were converting an
entire line to automatic operation without disrupting the service at all?
Everything was done at night. They compared the can-do attitude of the
people there with the standard issue whinging and moaning of the people
from Tubelines. Sometimes its embarrasing to be British.

e.g. when our media lie that public transport quality / worker
morale / can-do-ism is lower here than in bleedin' France.

--
John Band
john at johnband dot org
www.johnband.org

On Mon, 9 Nov 2009 07:19:04 -0800 (PST)
John B wrote:
Not sure if its been mentioned already , but did anyone see that Inside O=
ut
program the other day which compared the idiotic closures of lines for
maintenance against the regime in Paris where they were converting an
entire line to automatic operation without disrupting the service at all?
Everything was done at night. They compared the can-do attitude of the
people there with the standard issue whinging and moaning of the people
from Tubelines. Sometimes its embarrasing to be British.

e.g. when our media lie that public transport quality / worker
morale / can-do-ism is lower here than in bleedin' France.

I guess they made up the fact that they did all the work at night did they?

B2003

On Nov 9, 3:35*pm, wrote:
Not sure if its been mentioned already , but did anyone see that Inside O=
ut
program the other day which compared the idiotic closures of lines for
maintenance against the regime in Paris where they were converting an
entire line to automatic operation without disrupting the service at all?
Everything was done at night. They compared the can-do attitude of the
people there with the standard issue whinging and moaning of the people
from Tubelines. Sometimes its embarrasing to be British.

e.g. when our media lie that public transport quality / worker
morale / can-do-ism is lower here than in bleedin' France.

I guess they made up the fact that they did all the work at night did they?

Err, no. That just shows that RATP is willing to allow engineering
works to take longer and cost more in exchange for avoiding blockades,
whereas TfL and TL view their core priority as delivering the weekday
peak-hour service and so prioritise the delivery of upgrades as
rapidly as possible, even when that involves shifting people onto
buses, boats and probably cars a bit at the weekend.

--
John Band
john at johnband dot org
www.johnband.org

On Mon, 9 Nov 2009 08:15:13 -0800 (PST)
John B wrote:
I guess they made up the fact that they did all the work at night did the=
y?

Err, no. That just shows that RATP is willing to allow engineering
works to take longer and cost more in exchange for avoiding blockades,
whereas TfL and TL view their core priority as delivering the weekday
peak-hour service and so prioritise the delivery of upgrades as

If TfL and their sub-cons did their job properly then delivering peak hour
services wouldn't be the slightest bit affected by night engineering works
which would be done when the system is closed anyway.

rapidly as possible, even when that involves shifting people onto
buses, boats and probably cars a bit at the weekend.

Yes, because obviously no one works or needs to travel into or through
london at weekends so hardly anyone is affected.

B2003

On Nov 9, 4:59*pm, wrote:
On Mon, 9 Nov 2009 08:15:13 -0800 (PST)

John B wrote:
I guess they made up the fact that they did all the work at night did the=
y?

Err, no. That just shows that RATP is willing to allow engineering
works to take longer and cost more in exchange for avoiding blockades,
whereas TfL and TL view their core priority as delivering the weekday
peak-hour service and so prioritise the delivery of upgrades as

If TfL and their sub-cons did their job properly then delivering peak hour
services wouldn't be the slightest bit affected by night engineering works
which would be done when the system is closed anyway.

Yes. And they do (do the job properly), and so they aren't
(affected).

But obviously, if you only carry engineering work out at night and not
at weekends, then it takes longer for it to get finished, and so
commuters in the weekday peak have to wait longer for capacity and
reliability improvements.

rapidly as possible, even when that involves shifting people onto
buses, boats and probably cars a bit at the weekend.

Yes, because obviously no one works or needs to travel into or through
london at weekends so hardly anyone is affected.

The difference is, at weekends it might be a pain but the rest of the
network has capacity. In the weekday peak, it doesn't.

--
John Band
john at johnband dot org
www.johnband.org

"Tim Roll-Pickering" wrote in message
...
wrote:

The Jubilee line is only running between Waterloo and North Greenwich is
it really worth having it open?

Yes. It provides a vital link across the Isle of Dogs, in turn connecting
East London to South London without the need to go through the centre.
Doesn't the DLR do that?

Kevin

On 8 Nov, 20:12, "Zen83237" wrote:
"Tim Roll-Pickering" wrote in message

... wrote:

The Jubilee line is only running between Waterloo and North Greenwich is
it really worth having it open?

Yes. It provides a vital link across the Isle of Dogs, in turn connecting
East London to South London without the need to go through the centre.

Doesn't the DLR do that?

Kevin

Not very often these days.

But anyway, it's not so much the Isle of Dogs as the Greenwich
Peninsula.