On Fri, 06 Nov 2009 07:41:35 -0600,
wrote:

When I got to work I checked on the FCC web site which said Off-Peak
Return tickets are valid on the 09:20. So I rang FCC Customer Relations.
They also confirmed that and pointed me to National Express East Anglia if
I wanted to convert my day return to an Off-Peak Return so I could stay
overnight.

Can you actually do that? (XS from an Off Peak Day to an Off Peak)?

Useful to know if you can!

Neil

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"Roland Perry" wrote in message
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In message , at 19:25:10 on Fri, 6
Nov 2009, Peter Smyth remarked:
It's pretty clear that what they really ought to do (rather than
have several mystic algorithms) is colour in a timetable showing
which trains which tickets are available on. Thameslink used to have
one, I'm not sure if it's carried over to FCC-Bedpan.

That is exactly what they do. The problem is that the various
restriction codes in the NFM do not match exactly with the pretty
colours in the timetable.

If Colin has a coloured-in timetable upon which he wishes to rely,
then perhaps someone can post a url. We can then see in what way, for
the ticket he desires, it differs from the NFM rules.

The timetable is at
http://www.firstcapitalconnect.co.uk...ambridge_1.pdf
and shows off-peak tickets as permitted on the 0920 from Cambridge.
However as Barry posted, the restriction in the Fares Manual for a
Off-Peak Return is depart at or after 0930.

Peter Smyth

In message , at 21:00:22 on Fri, 6
Nov 2009, Peter Smyth remarked:
If Colin has a coloured-in timetable upon which he wishes to rely,
then perhaps someone can post a url. We can then see in what way, for
the ticket he desires, it differs from the NFM rules.

The timetable is at
http://www.firstcapitalconnect.co.uk...s/kingscrossto
stevenagecambridge_1.pdf and shows off-peak tickets as permitted on the
0920 from Cambridge. However as Barry posted, the restriction in the
Fares Manual for a Off-Peak Return is depart at or after 0930.

But there's apparently different rules for offpeak returns and offpeak
*day* returns. That needs more colours.
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Roland Perry

"Ben Harris" wrote in message
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In article ,
wrote:

Well, I had a ticket clerk there refuse to sell me a CDR to Hunstanton
Bus with a Network Railcard, insisting on selling separate Cambridge to
Lynn and Lynn to Hunstanton tickets. NXEA subsequently sent me a GBP 1
travel voucher to compensate for the 10p overcharge, which seemed very
reasonable.

That seems odd, because as far as the map goes Hunstanton is outside the
Network Card area?

Paul S

In cam.transport Roland Perry wrote:

But there's apparently different rules for offpeak returns and offpeak
*day* returns. That needs more colours.

Or they could implement saner restrictions.

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In message , at
22:14:34 on Fri, 6 Nov 2009, Robin Stevens remarked:
But there's apparently different rules for offpeak returns and offpeak
*day* returns. That needs more colours.

Or they could implement saner restrictions.

But that's the point of wanting the colours - it shows whether the
restrictions are sane or not, in particular highlighting the edge cases
where one ticket is valid but the next cheaper one isn't.

Presumably in this case there's one train that they want to send the
first wave of cheap ticket people off to London on, and the following
train the next wave. Maybe it would be overcrowded otherwise (and who is
to say they'd merge the two waves onto the first rather than the second
train, if the same threshold applied to both?).
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Roland Perry

"Roland Perry" wrote in message
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Presumably in this case there's one train that they want to send the first
wave of cheap ticket people off to London on, and the following train the
next wave.

That's a change, then. For years my experience was that the next train after
the first cheap train was the one most likely to be cancelled.

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Cambridge City Councillor

In article ,
Paul Scott wrote:

"Ben Harris" wrote in message
...
Well, I had a ticket clerk there refuse to sell me a CDR to Hunstanton
Bus with a Network Railcard, insisting on selling separate Cambridge to
Lynn and Lynn to Hunstanton tickets. NXEA subsequently sent me a GBP 1
travel voucher to compensate for the 10p overcharge, which seemed very
reasonable.

That seems odd, because as far as the map goes Hunstanton is outside the
Network Card area?

Hunstanton and the bus link to it don't seem to be marked on the map at
all, so whether they're inside or outside the Network area isn't
obvious. The fact that the NRE Web site will offer a discounted fare
for the journey is highly suggestive, though.

--
Ben Harris

In message , at 23:11:49 on Fri, 6
Nov 2009, Tim Ward remarked:
Presumably in this case there's one train that they want to send the first
wave of cheap ticket people off to London on, and the following train the
next wave.

That's a change, then. For years my experience was that the next train after
the first cheap train was the one most likely to be cancelled.

I don't know about the cancellation issue, but having what I think they
call "shoulder peak" is increasingly common.

I'll quote the Nottingham-London route because that timetable does have
multiple colours.

Trains up to and including the 8.02 (arr 10.00) are full price.
The 8.28 (arr 10.19), 9.02 and 9.28 (arr 11.19) are "off peak"
The 10.02 (arr 12.03) and later trains are "super off peak".

There are correspondingly different blackout periods for returning home
in the evening for the two types of off-peak ticket.
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Roland Perry

Roland Perry wrote:
In message , at 21:00:22 on Fri, 6
Nov 2009, Peter Smyth remarked:
The timetable is at
http://www.firstcapitalconnect.co.uk...s/kingscrossto
stevenagecambridge_1.pdf and shows off-peak tickets as permitted on the
0920 from Cambridge. However as Barry posted, the restriction in the
Fares Manual for a Off-Peak Return is depart at or after 0930.

But there's apparently different rules for offpeak returns and offpeak
*day* returns. That needs more colours.

But you need even more colours, because different start and endpoints have
different restrictions. So, I think, there are no evening peak restrictions
on return halves of tickets from Ely to London. But there are from
Cambridge to London. But the Ely person might take a train to Cambridge and
change. And then what about the person with a ticket from Penzance to
Cambridge, where the restrictions are on the Paddington leg not the King's
Cross leg?

Theo