In message , at 15:13:49 on Sat,
7 Nov 2009, Theo Markettos remarked:
The timetable is at
http://www.firstcapitalconnect.co.uk...s/kingscrossto
stevenagecambridge_1.pdf and shows off-peak tickets as permitted on the
0920 from Cambridge. However as Barry posted, the restriction in the
Fares Manual for a Off-Peak Return is depart at or after 0930.

But there's apparently different rules for offpeak returns and offpeak
*day* returns. That needs more colours.

But you need even more colours, because different start and endpoints have
different restrictions. So, I think, there are no evening peak restrictions
on return halves of tickets from Ely to London. But there are from
Cambridge to London.

So you have different timetables for different end stations.

But the Ely person might take a train to Cambridge and change.

Their allowable train will still be on the Ely timetable (if it shows
connections at Cambridge.

And then what about the person with a ticket from Penzance to
Cambridge, where the restrictions are on the Paddington leg not the
King's Cross leg?

Then they don't need to consult a London-Cambridge timetable to examine
their London-Cambridge restrictions, because there aren't any.
--
Roland Perry

In article ,
(Theo Markettos) wrote:

Roland Perry wrote:
In message , at 21:00:22 on
Fri, 6 Nov 2009, Peter Smyth remarked:
The timetable is at

http://www.firstcapitalconnect.co.uk...kingscrosstost
evenagecambridge_1.pdf and shows off-peak tickets as permitted on the
0920 from Cambridge. However as Barry posted, the restriction in the
Fares Manual for a Off-Peak Return is depart at or after 0930.

But there's apparently different rules for offpeak returns and
offpeak *day* returns. That needs more colours.

But you need even more colours, because different start and endpoints
have different restrictions. So, I think, there are no evening peak
restrictions on return halves of tickets from Ely to London. But there
are from Cambridge to London. But the Ely person might take a train to
Cambridge and change. And then what about the person with a ticket from
Penzance to Cambridge, where the restrictions are on the Paddington leg
not the King's Cross leg?

I'm only referring to Cambridge-London timetable leaflets so Ely is an
irrelevance.

The main reason for my surprise is that the evening peak restrictions on
Off Peak (ex-Saver) Returns are less onerous in the evenings!

--
Colin Rosenstiel

In message , at 16:34:55
on Sat, 7 Nov 2009, remarked:
The main reason for my surprise is that the evening peak restrictions on
Off Peak (ex-Saver) Returns are less onerous in the evenings!

This has happened on several routes recently, where they have
re-discovered the concept of a "Business Saver" (offpeak out, peak back)
and turned that into the Off-peak ticket; and the Saver became the
Super-off-peak.

The only problem is that it is usually accompanied by a corresponding
stealth fare increase (to the old BS price that was typically halfway
between the Saver and the Open, as befitted its validity).

My Offpeak tickets from Nottingham to London are now 50% more expensive
than four years ago, and the Super-off-peak are a 'reasonable' price but
come with swingeing restrictions on then they can be use (first train
out doesn't get to London until just after midday, and there's an
afternoon blackout on the return from 3.15pm (last train allowed) to
7.15pm (first train allowed again).
--
Roland Perry

In article , (Roland
Perry) wrote:

In message , at
16:34:55 on Sat, 7 Nov 2009, remarked:
The main reason for my surprise is that the evening peak restrictions
on Off Peak (ex-Saver) Returns are less onerous in the evenings!

This has happened on several routes recently, where they have
re-discovered the concept of a "Business Saver" (offpeak out, peak
back) and turned that into the Off-peak ticket; and the Saver
became the Super-off-peak.

The only problem is that it is usually accompanied by a
corresponding stealth fare increase (to the old BS price that was
typically halfway between the Saver and the Open, as befitted its
validity).

My Offpeak tickets from Nottingham to London are now 50% more
expensive than four years ago, and the Super-off-peak are a
'reasonable' price but come with swingeing restrictions on then
they can be use (first train out doesn't get to London until just
after midday, and there's an afternoon blackout on the return from
3.15pm (last train allowed) to 7.15pm (first train allowed again).

FCC has the latter sort of restrictions but only as drastic for *day*
returns. You haven't suggested a *more* onerous restriction on 30 day
returns than on day returns at one time of the day and a less onerous
restriction on the same tickets in the evening peak.

--
Colin Rosenstiel

In message , at 04:26:38
on Sun, 8 Nov 2009, remarked:
My Offpeak tickets from Nottingham to London are now 50% more
expensive than four years ago, and the Super-off-peak are a
'reasonable' price but come with swingeing restrictions on then
they can be use (first train out doesn't get to London until just
after midday, and there's an afternoon blackout on the return from
3.15pm (last train allowed) to 7.15pm (first train allowed again).

FCC has the latter sort of restrictions but only as drastic for *day*
returns.

Day returns are likely to be NSE's equivalent of the highest discounted
ticket elsewhere (ie the Super off peak).

You haven't suggested a *more* onerous restriction on 30 day
returns than on day returns at one time of the day and a less onerous
restriction on the same tickets in the evening peak.

Cockup versus conspiracy (if you were nearer to London, then a "dep
9.30" rule would be more lenient than an "arr after 10.00").

The Off-Peak Return from Cambridge to London (priced by FCC)
carries a Restriction Code of 5J, the relevant part of which
states:

"By any train scheduled to depart at or after 0930"

The Off-Peak *Day* Return (both Any Permitted and NXEA Only
variants), meanwhile, carries a restriction code of J8, which
states:

"By any train scheduled to arrive at London Liverpool Street or
London Kings Cross at or after 1000, Stratford (London) after
0950, Tottenham Hale or Seven Sisters after 0940."

Which leaves the cheaper ticket valid on the 9.20 (arr 10.13) & 9.26
(arr 10.30) as well as the overtaken 08.54 (arr 10.19) in addition to
those that the more expensive ticket is valid.

Don't knock it, they may fix it!!
--
Roland Perry