On Nov 6, 7:04*am, "DB." wrote:
"Charlie Hulme" wrote in message

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DB. wrote:
A letter appears in The Telegraph today saying:

SIR - In Baker Street underground station, a fine marble war memorial
is
passed by thousands every day. It is now dirty and decrepit.

* * Perhaps someone here can link us to a photograph?

http://www.flickr.com/photos/mynameismisty/3364028830/

It's the Metropolitan Railway's memorial, designed by Charles W Clark,
unveiled on 11 November 1920. The collection box for veterans adjacent
is made from a 12" shell.

http://www.ukniwm.org.uk/server/show/conMemorial.3090

Charlie

Thanks, Charlie. *I couldn't have hoped for a better (or quicker) reply..

Beautiful inscription:
'The men from the service of The Metropolitan Railway Company whose
names are inscribed below were among those who, at the call of King
and Country left all that was dear to them endured hardness faced
danger, and finally passed out of sight of men by the path of duty and
self-sacrifice, giving up their own lives that others might live in
freedom ... let those that come after see to it that their names are
not forgotten' ... the memorial was 'erected by the directors,
officers and staff of the railway'

It is shameful that this memorial has been allowed to deteriorate.

On Fri, 6 Nov 2009 09:10:39 -0800 (PST), E27002 wrote:
: On Nov 6, 7:04*am, "DB." wrote:
: "Charlie Hulme" wrote in message
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: DB. wrote:
: A letter appears in The Telegraph today saying:
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: SIR - In Baker Street underground station, a fine marble war memorial
: is
: passed by thousands every day. It is now dirty and decrepit.
:
: * * Perhaps someone here can link us to a photograph?
:
: http://www.flickr.com/photos/mynameismisty/3364028830/
:
: It's the Metropolitan Railway's memorial, designed by Charles W Clark,
: unveiled on 11 November 1920. The collection box for veterans adjacent
: is made from a 12" shell.
:
: http://www.ukniwm.org.uk/server/show/conMemorial.3090
:
: Charlie
:
: Thanks, Charlie. *I couldn't have hoped for a better (or quicker) reply.
:
: Beautiful inscription:
: 'The men from the service of The Metropolitan Railway Company whose
: names are inscribed below were among those who, at the call of King
: and Country left all that was dear to them endured hardness faced
: danger, and finally passed out of sight of men by the path of duty and
: self-sacrifice, giving up their own lives that others might live in
: freedom ... let those that come after see to it that their names are
: not forgotten' ... the memorial was 'erected by the directors,
: officers and staff of the railway'
:
: It is shameful that this memorial has been allowed to deteriorate.

The best such inscription I ever saw is in the lobby of a building at Yale
University, where I went to college: "To the men of Yale who gave their lives
in the Civil War, the University has dedicated this memorial, that their high
devotion may live in all her sons and that the bonds which now unite the Land
may endure." Brief but well stated.

Alas, that inscription has also been allowed to deteriorate. It's inlaid (in a
contrasting color) in a marble floor with high pedestrian traffic and has
become quite worn. When I was there fifty years ago, it was prominent; now
some of it is hard to read. It was followed by a verse from a poem lamenting
the Civil War, and that has been all but obliterated.

Bob

Ob tr cont: One wing of that building is a huge rectangular marble dining hall
with a row of doors on each of its long sides. It looks like nothing so much
as an early-20th-century railroad station, with the doors being the gates to
the tracks.

Robert Coe wrote:

Ob tr cont: One wing of that building is a huge rectangular marble
dining hall with a row of doors on each of its long sides. It looks
like nothing so much as an early-20th-century railroad station, with
the doors being the gates to the tracks.

This reminds me of Barnet's "Spice Carriage" restaurant, which makes good
use of a ridiculously narrow site by decorating it like a carriage from the
Orient Express.
http://toptable.typepad.com/.a/6a011...2460084970b-pi
http://maps.google.co.uk/maps?hl=en&.... 78,,0,11.08

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We are the Strasbourg. Referendum is futile.

On Dec 22, 2:10*pm, "Basil Jet"
wrote:
Robert Coe wrote:

Ob tr cont: One wing of that building is a huge rectangular marble
dining hall with a row of doors on each of its long sides. It looks
like nothing so much as an early-20th-century railroad station, with
the doors being the gates to the tracks.

This reminds me of Barnet's "Spice Carriage" restaurant, which makes good
use of a ridiculously narrow site by decorating it like a carriage from the
Orient Express.
http://bit.ly/66xVkj http://bit.ly/8BG0Tw

Ha, that's absolutely excellent stuff. I knew I was missing
*something* by seldom venturing into the outer suburbs...

--
John Band
john at johnband dot org
www.johnband.org

John B wrote:
On Dec 22, 2:10 pm, "Basil Jet"
wrote:
Robert Coe wrote:

Ob tr cont: One wing of that building is a huge rectangular marble
dining hall with a row of doors on each of its long sides. It looks
like nothing so much as an early-20th-century railroad station, with
the doors being the gates to the tracks.

This reminds me of Barnet's "Spice Carriage" restaurant, which makes
good use of a ridiculously narrow site by decorating it like a
carriage from the Orient Express.
http://bit.ly/66xVkj http://bit.ly/8BG0Tw

Ha, that's absolutely excellent stuff. I knew I was missing
*something* by seldom venturing into the outer suburbs...

I don't know how well the picture captures it, but the experience of
stepping out of the high street into a railway carriage is genuinely
startling.

--
We are the Strasbourg. Referendum is futile.

Robert Coe wrote:

that inscription has also been allowed to deteriorate. It's inlaid (in
a contrasting color) in a marble floor with high pedestrian traffic
and has become quite worn. When I was there fifty years ago, it was
prominent; now some of it is hard to read. It was followed by a verse
from a poem lamenting the Civil War, and that has been all but
obliterated.

Some folk might view that as a healthy way to install a memorial of that
nature. It is after all, only truly a \memorial\ only for as long as
there are still people around who can put faces to the names, and that
is becoming a dwindlingly small number in the case of WW2, is more or
less zero for WW1, and has been zero for the US Civil War for pretty
well a century. Once everyone with the memory stirred by the memorial
has gone, it is just a list of names.

The problem with attempting to keep alive the memories of conflicts for
much longer than the lifetimes of those who actually endured them is
that after a while the wrong messages can be sent, and names such as
Bannockburn, the Boyne and so on end up as rallying calls for a whole
new generation of people with too little perspective and too much hot
blood.

--
http://gallery120232.fotopic.net/p9633069.html
(50 018 under the imposing cliffs at Dawlish, Sep 1984)

On Tue, 22 Dec 2009 15:19:37 +0000, Chris Tolley
(ukonline really) wrote:
: Robert Coe wrote:
:
: that inscription has also been allowed to deteriorate. It's inlaid (in
: a contrasting color) in a marble floor with high pedestrian traffic
: and has become quite worn. When I was there fifty years ago, it was
: prominent; now some of it is hard to read. It was followed by a verse
: from a poem lamenting the Civil War, and that has been all but
: obliterated.
:
: Some folk might view that as a healthy way to install a memorial of that
: nature. It is after all, only truly a \memorial\ only for as long as
: there are still people around who can put faces to the names, and that
: is becoming a dwindlingly small number in the case of WW2, is more or
: less zero for WW1, and has been zero for the US Civil War for pretty
: well a century. Once everyone with the memory stirred by the memorial
: has gone, it is just a list of names.

Maybe, but virtually every American but the most recent immigrzants had at
least one ancestor killed in the Civil War. (The grandchildren of those
immigrants probably will too; the "melting pot" is still very much in
operation.) And interest in Civil War history hasn't waned much over the
years.

: The problem with attempting to keep alive the memories of conflicts for
: much longer than the lifetimes of those who actually endured them is
: that after a while the wrong messages can be sent, and names such as
: Bannockburn, the Boyne and so on end up as rallying calls for a whole
: new generation of people with too little perspective and too much hot
: blood.

Yes, as has been repeatedly pointed out, those who refuse to learn from
history are doomed to repeat it. And alas, you don't even have to wait for the
participants to die off. How, for example, is it possible that we Americans
forgot the lessons of Vietnam so quickly?

Bob

On Tue, 22 Dec 2009 15:19:37 +0000, Chris Tolley
(ukonline really) wrote:

Robert Coe wrote:

that inscription has also been allowed to deteriorate. It's inlaid (in
a contrasting color) in a marble floor with high pedestrian traffic
and has become quite worn

Some folk might view that as a healthy way to install a memorial of that
nature. It is after all, only truly a \memorial\ only for as long as
there are still people around who can put faces to the names, and that
is becoming a dwindlingly small number in the case of WW2, is more or
less zero for WW1, and has been zero for the US Civil War for pretty
well a century.

Not really a Century for the US Civil war, the last Union Veteran died
about 1956 ,last Confederate 1958. Presumably as is the way of
these things there were a fair no that survived to the 1930's and some
long lived ones who made it a further 20 years. Either way there must
be a reasonable no of people around 80 ish who as a child would have
had a Grandad who served in that conflict. By some convoluted method
involving remarriage the last widows pension was paid until 2004.

I agree with your point though.

G.Harman

Robert Coe wrote:
On Tue, 22 Dec 2009 15:19:37 +0000, Chris Tolley
(ukonline really) wrote:
: Robert Coe wrote:
:
: that inscription has also been allowed to deteriorate. It's inlaid (in
: a contrasting color) in a marble floor with high pedestrian traffic
: and has become quite worn. When I was there fifty years ago, it was
: prominent; now some of it is hard to read. It was followed by a verse
: from a poem lamenting the Civil War, and that has been all but
: obliterated.
:
: Some folk might view that as a healthy way to install a memorial of that
: nature. It is after all, only truly a \memorial\ only for as long as
: there are still people around who can put faces to the names, and that
: is becoming a dwindlingly small number in the case of WW2, is more or
: less zero for WW1, and has been zero for the US Civil War for pretty
: well a century. Once everyone with the memory stirred by the memorial
: has gone, it is just a list of names.

Maybe, but virtually every American but the most recent immigrzants had at
least one ancestor killed in the Civil War.

I once knew one who said her ancestor had been killed in the War of
Northern Aggression, and spent an evening and a few bottles of beer
explaining why we shouldn't call it a civil war. :-)

--
Arthur Figgis Surrey, UK

On Tue, 22 Dec 2009 18:44:39 +0000, Arthur Figgis
wrote in misc.transport.urban-transit:

Robert Coe wrote:
On Tue, 22 Dec 2009 15:19:37 +0000, Chris Tolley
(ukonline really) wrote:
: Robert Coe wrote:
:
: that inscription has also been allowed to deteriorate. It's inlaid (in
: a contrasting color) in a marble floor with high pedestrian traffic
: and has become quite worn. When I was there fifty years ago, it was
: prominent; now some of it is hard to read. It was followed by a verse
: from a poem lamenting the Civil War, and that has been all but
: obliterated.
:
: Some folk might view that as a healthy way to install a memorial of that
: nature. It is after all, only truly a \memorial\ only for as long as
: there are still people around who can put faces to the names, and that
: is becoming a dwindlingly small number in the case of WW2, is more or
: less zero for WW1, and has been zero for the US Civil War for pretty
: well a century. Once everyone with the memory stirred by the memorial
: has gone, it is just a list of names.

Maybe, but virtually every American but the most recent immigrzants had at
least one ancestor killed in the Civil War.

I once knew one who said her ancestor had been killed in the War of
Northern Aggression, and spent an evening and a few bottles of beer
explaining why we shouldn't call it a civil war. :-)

Indeed, it was a war of regional secession, though those are all called
civil wars.