In article , edward.harrison1
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"peter" wrote in message
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What does OEP stand for?

Peter


Oh good, glad I'm not the only one.



I had assumed Oyster Extension Permit but ready to be educated.

"Jim Brittin" [wake up to reply] wrote in
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In article , edward.harrison1
@remove.btinternet.com says...

"peter" wrote in message
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What does OEP stand for?

Peter


Oh good, glad I'm not the only one.



I had assumed Oyster Extension Permit but ready to be educated.

What's one of them? (I don't live in London these days).

In article , edward.harrison1
@remove.btinternet.com says...

"Jim Brittin" [wake up to reply] wrote in
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In article , edward.harrison1
@remove.btinternet.com says...

"peter" wrote in message
...
What does OEP stand for?

Peter


Oh good, glad I'm not the only one.



I had assumed Oyster Extension Permit but ready to be educated.

What's one of them? (I don't live in London these days).



Hopefully one of the clever posters will be along soon, I had half-
ignored them because they don't apply to me.

Think they were first mentioned on this group around May.

On Thu, 19 Nov 2009, Graham Harrison wrote:

"Jim Brittin" [wake up to reply] wrote in
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In article , edward.harrison1
@remove.btinternet.com says...

"peter" wrote in message
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What does OEP stand for?

Oh good, glad I'm not the only one.

Same here.

I had assumed Oyster Extension Permit but ready to be educated.

I assumed this after a quick google.

What's one of them? (I don't live in London these days).

AIUI, basically, if you want to use pre-pay to travel beyond your
travelcard validity, as you can freely do on TfL trains, but you want to
do it on NR trains, you need to get a special permit loaded onto your
Oyster beforehand. It's free, but you need to find an Oyster outlet to do
it. If you don't have one, then when you try to touch out, NR grippers
will PF you to death.

tom

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On 19 Nov, 20:13, Tom Anderson wrote:
On Thu, 19 Nov 2009, Graham Harrison wrote:
"Jim Brittin" [wake up to reply] wrote in
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In article , edward.harrison1
@remove.btinternet.com says...

"peter" wrote in message
....
What does OEP stand for?

Oh good, glad I'm not the only one.

Same here.

I had assumed Oyster Extension Permit but ready to be educated.

I assumed this after a quick google.

What's one of them? * (I don't live in London these days).

AIUI, basically, if you want to use pre-pay to travel beyond your
travelcard validity, as you can freely do on TfL trains, but you want to
do it on NR trains, you need to get a special permit loaded onto your
Oyster beforehand. It's free, but you need to find an Oyster outlet to do
it. If you don't have one, then when you try to touch out, NR grippers
will PF you to death.

I don't think so. If you touch out ungripped, you should be charged
correctly, from what I understood of the previous discussion.

The OEP is for when you get gripped on the train, unable to prove that
you intend to touch out. It's to do with the guilty-till-proven-
innocent principle that applies to Oyster but not to paper travelcards.

On Thu, 19 Nov 2009, MIG wrote:

On 19 Nov, 20:13, Tom Anderson wrote:
On Thu, 19 Nov 2009, Graham Harrison wrote:
"Jim Brittin" [wake up to reply] wrote in
rnet.com...
In article , edward.harrison1
@remove.btinternet.com says...

"peter" wrote in message
...
What does OEP stand for?

Oh good, glad I'm not the only one.

Same here.

I had assumed Oyster Extension Permit but ready to be educated.

I assumed this after a quick google.

What's one of them? * (I don't live in London these days).

AIUI, basically, if you want to use pre-pay to travel beyond your
travelcard validity, as you can freely do on TfL trains, but you want to
do it on NR trains, you need to get a special permit loaded onto your
Oyster beforehand. It's free, but you need to find an Oyster outlet to do
it. If you don't have one, then when you try to touch out, NR grippers
will PF you to death.

I don't think so. If you touch out ungripped, you should be charged
correctly, from what I understood of the previous discussion.

The OEP is for when you get gripped on the train, unable to prove that
you intend to touch out. It's to do with the guilty-till-proven-
innocent principle that applies to Oyster but not to paper travelcards.

In TfL land, isn't this (being the problem of people travelling without
touching out at the far end) handled by charging un-touched-out journeys
at the maximum possible fare? What didn't TOCs like about that?

tom

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"Tom Anderson" wrote in message
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In TfL land, isn't this (being the problem of people travelling without
touching out at the far end) handled by charging un-touched-out journeys
at the maximum possible fare? What didn't TOCs like about that?

Yes for PAYG, but NOT with travelcard seasons. Someone who touches in within
his season validity and doesn't touch out when arrived in the sticks goes
completely undetected. That is why OEPs only apply to travelcard season
holders using PAYG outside their zones.

Paul S

On Thu, Nov 19, 2009 at 11:09:50AM -0000, Graham Harrison wrote:

What's one of them? (I don't live in London these days).

They're a cunning plan by the TOCs to make PAYG a pain in the arse to
use even when they, strictly speaking, accept PAYG. You will need to
get an OEP every time you use PAYG*, and they will only be available
from shops and TfL stations - they will *not* be available at the very
TOC stations at which people will need them.

* not strictly true, there are lots of rules, none of which normal
people can be expected to remember, so they will either break them and
incur penalty fares, or get an OEP even when they don't need to, thus
making PAYG very annoying for the customers, or they just won't use
PAYG. All three would count as a win for the TOCs.

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uknot posts, it's not waving its arse around saying "root me!"
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In message , David
Cantrell writes

They're a cunning plan by the TOCs to make PAYG a pain in the arse to
use even when they, strictly speaking, accept PAYG.

Unless I've entirely misunderstood, you don't need an OEP if you are
intending to travel using a PAYG Oyster.

It is only needed if you have a season/travelcard on your Oyster and you
want to use PAYG in order to pay for an out-of-zone journey.
--
Paul Terry

Paul Terry wrote:
In message , David
Cantrell writes

They're a cunning plan by the TOCs to make PAYG a pain in the arse to
use even when they, strictly speaking, accept PAYG.

Unless I've entirely misunderstood, you don't need an OEP if you are
intending to travel using a PAYG Oyster.

It is only needed if you have a season/travelcard on your Oyster and
you want to use PAYG in order to pay for an out-of-zone journey.

That's my understanding too. It will be interesting to see how well they get
that important message across when the official announcements start...

Paul S