Paul Terry wrote:
In message , David
Cantrell writes

They're a cunning plan by the TOCs to make PAYG a pain in the arse to
use even when they, strictly speaking, accept PAYG.

Unless I've entirely misunderstood, you don't need an OEP if you are
intending to travel using a PAYG Oyster.

It is only needed if you have a season/travelcard on your Oyster and
you want to use PAYG in order to pay for an out-of-zone journey.

That's my understanding too. It will be interesting to see how well they get
that important message across when the official announcements start...

Paul S

On Nov 20, 12:49*pm, "Paul Scott"
wrote:
Paul Terry wrote:
In message , David
Cantrell writes

They're a cunning plan by the TOCs to make PAYG a pain in the arse to
use even when they, strictly speaking, accept PAYG.

Unless I've entirely misunderstood, you don't need an OEP if you are
intending to travel using a PAYG Oyster.

It is only needed if you have a season/travelcard on your Oyster and
you want to use PAYG in order to pay for an out-of-zone journey.

That's my understanding too. It will be interesting to see how well they get
that important message across when the official announcements start...

Paul S

It would appear that some official information is already available on
OEP and other NR PAYG matters.

http://www.tfl.gov.uk/tickets/oysteronline/5823.aspx

--
Paul C
via Google.

It would appear that some official information is already available on
OEP and other NR PAYG matters.

http://www.tfl.gov.uk/tickets/oysteronline/5823.aspx

--
Paul C
via Google.

One paragraph on that link reads:

If you use pay as you go on the above National Rail services, an entry
charge of up to £6.50 will be deducted from your Oyster card when you touch
in at the start of your journey. When you touch out, the charge will be
adjusted so that you only pay the advertised Oyster single fare for the
journey you have just made.

I read that to imply that I can only buy a single ticket on PAYG. If I
make a return journey between the same pair of stations I will be charged
another single rather than a return (e.g. right now - 1453 on 24 Nov) single
Chiswick/Clapham Junction is £2.10 return 3.10 so with PAYG I'll pay £1.00
more than if I buy a "real" ticket.

In message , Graham Harrison
writes

I read that to imply that I can only buy a single ticket on PAYG. If
I make a return journey between the same pair of stations I will be
charged another single rather than a return (e.g. right now - 1453 on
24 Nov) single Chiswick/Clapham Junction is £2.10 return 3.10

If you were currently allowed to use PAYG for that journey, the cost
would be £1.10 each way. In 2010, when you will be allowed to use PAYG,
the cost will be £1.30 each way, or £2.60 return.

So, if you currently pay £3.10 for an off-peak day return ticket, you
will be 50p a day better off using PAYG.

so with PAYG I'll pay £1.00 more than if I buy a "real" ticket.

I don't understand how you've come to that conclusion. A single journey
on PAYG across two zones (excluding zone 1) will be £1.30 next year. And
it's the same even if you travel at peak times, unlike your current
ticket.

--
Paul Terry

"Paul Terry" wrote in message
...
In message , Graham Harrison
writes

I read that to imply that I can only buy a single ticket on PAYG. If I
make a return journey between the same pair of stations I will be charged
another single rather than a return (e.g. right now - 1453 on 24 Nov)
single Chiswick/Clapham Junction is £2.10 return 3.10

If you were currently allowed to use PAYG for that journey, the cost would
be £1.10 each way. In 2010, when you will be allowed to use PAYG, the cost
will be £1.30 each way, or £2.60 return.

So, if you currently pay £3.10 for an off-peak day return ticket, you will
be 50p a day better off using PAYG.

so with PAYG I'll pay £1.00 more than if I buy a "real" ticket.

I don't understand how you've come to that conclusion. A single journey on
PAYG across two zones (excluding zone 1) will be £1.30 next year. And it's
the same even if you travel at peak times, unlike your current ticket.

--
Paul Terry

Ah... I hadn't appreciated there was a change in the fares as well.

In article ,
(Paul Corfield) wrote:

On Tue, 24 Nov 2009 03:48:39 -0800 (PST), Paul Corfield
wrote:

It would appear that some official information is already available on
OEP and other NR PAYG matters.

http://www.tfl.gov.uk/tickets/oysteronline/5823.aspx

How very, very odd. When I went to that page earlier today it had a
load of detail about the post 2 Jan 2010 situation on it. It included
paragraphs on OEP. Now when I look it is not there. I wonder if it
worked because I linked through at work during my lunch break??

Sorry for the confusion.

I know what you mean, Paul. I read what you quoted earlier there yesterday
and now it's gone.

--
Colin Rosenstiel

On 24 Nov, 20:17, Paul Corfield wrote:
How very, very odd. *When I went to that page earlier today it had a
load of detail about the post 2 Jan 2010 situation on it. It included
paragraphs on OEP. *Now when I look it is not there. *I wonder if it
worked because I linked through at work during my lunch break??

No, I saw it too.

The text about OEPs here is almost identical to what was on TfL's site
this morning:

http://www.firstcapitalconnect.co.uk...iCmsPageId=509

U

Mr Thant wrote:
On 24 Nov, 20:17, Paul Corfield wrote:
How very, very odd. When I went to that page earlier today it had a
load of detail about the post 2 Jan 2010 situation on it. It included
paragraphs on OEP. Now when I look it is not there. I wonder if it
worked because I linked through at work during my lunch break??

No, I saw it too.

The text about OEPs here is almost identical to what was on TfL's site
this morning:

http://www.firstcapitalconnect.co.uk...iCmsPageId=509

There has been a presumption (judged across a number of threads, blogs etc)
that OEPs will not be available at NR stations, but in that linked article
it includes:

"Oyster Extension Permits can be set at any Tube or London Overground
station ticket office or touchscreen ticket machine; Oyster Ticket Stops;
selected National Rail ticket offices or _self-service ticket machines
displaying the Oyster card reader logo._"

In the TfL/ATOC media briefing 'FAQs' (linked elsewhere) it reads
"Passengers will be also be able to add pay as you go credit at most
National Rail stations."

So maybe as we speak, they are tweaking the NR TVM software to provide both
PAYG top ups and OEPs from 2nd Jan? IIRC the LO TVMs were retrofitteed with
Oyster facilities in pretty short order when they went over to TfL...

Maybe everyone should wait and see before assuming the worst...

Paul S

In article ,
(Paul Scott) wrote:

Mr Thant wrote:
On 24 Nov, 20:17, Paul Corfield wrote:
How very, very odd. When I went to that page earlier today it had a
load of detail about the post 2 Jan 2010 situation on it. It included
paragraphs on OEP. Now when I look it is not there. I wonder if it
worked because I linked through at work during my lunch break??

No, I saw it too.

The text about OEPs here is almost identical to what was on TfL's site
this morning:

http://www.firstcapitalconnect.co.uk...iCmsPageId=509

There has been a presumption (judged across a number of threads,
blogs etc) that OEPs will not be available at NR stations, but in
that linked article it includes:

"Oyster Extension Permits can be set at any Tube or London
Overground station ticket office or touchscreen ticket machine;
Oyster Ticket Stops; selected National Rail ticket offices or
_self-service ticket machines displaying the Oyster card reader
logo._"

In the TfL/ATOC media briefing 'FAQs' (linked elsewhere) it reads
"Passengers will be also be able to add pay as you go credit at
most National Rail stations."

So maybe as we speak, they are tweaking the NR TVM software to
provide both PAYG top ups and OEPs from 2nd Jan? IIRC the LO TVMs
were retrofitteed with Oyster facilities in pretty short order when
they went over to TfL...

Maybe everyone should wait and see before assuming the worst...

I suppose an acid test would be the newest LOROL stations between New
Cross and West Croydon recently handed over from Southern.

--
Colin Rosenstiel

wrote:
In article ,
(Paul Scott) wrote:

So maybe as we speak, they are tweaking the NR TVM software to
provide both PAYG top ups and OEPs from 2nd Jan? IIRC the LO TVMs
were retrofitteed with Oyster facilities in pretty short order when
they went over to TfL...

Maybe everyone should wait and see before assuming the worst...

I suppose an acid test would be the newest LOROL stations between New
Cross and West Croydon recently handed over from Southern.

Not necessarily, because they are still using SN's existing equipment
AFAICS. Their LO stuff hasn't really got to be ready until next May or so...

I think the early handover was simply to avoid upheaval 6 months into the
new SN contract, not much evidence of any change on the ground yet, except
for blanking out SN logos.

Paul